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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If I had been asked that question in the poll "There is a limit to the number of asylum seekers and refugees Ireland can cope with", I would have been one of those who replied 'Yes, there is definitely a limit'. Only a fool would try and claim that our accommodation capacity is limitless.

    But it's a big leap from that to suggest that 84% of Irish people are actively calling for a quota or upper limit on refugees to be announced by the government (for starters, nobody has ever really defined what our capacity is or what Ireland being 'full' would actually mean).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Magowna House Hotel in Clare is now being used to house migrants. Has anyone seen the photos of the place? It consists of a number of houses, all of which would be perfect for housing Ireland`s homeless. I have no objection to migrants staying there but the housing crisis is unacceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    From what I've seen the magowna plan is to put something like 39 men into 3 modest houses.

    Can you imagine if you were living on a street of say 20 houses and suddenly say 6 of them end up with 13 lads in each with no money or work.

    Then another 5 are social housing, with all sorts of nasty client.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    "39 men" 😫😱 oh no, not those awful men, they are obviously all rapists and murderers. ffs. hate this sexist crap.

    my local town has welcomed lots of refugees and no one seems to have a problem with them, I deal with them sometimes while working, haven't met one who wasn't a decent person.


    I hope the filth that set the tents on fire and anyone like them are rounded up and punished severely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    In 2013 the Left were already well on their way to what we have today, hence the term "regressive left" was coined.

    To me, it was far back as the aftermath of Sept 11 2001, when the Left suddenly started defending extreme religious zealotry. Their political opponents were critical of radical Islam, so the Left decided they would be for it!

    The Danish cartoon controversy was in 2005, nearly two decades ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭creeper1


    The penny hasn't dropped. Leo and Martin coming out with all the familiar phrases "no limits to numbers" , "legal and moral obligations".

    There's a new one"it is not necessary to block the gates to the accomodation".

    It very much IS necessary since migrants were bussed in without consulting locals.


    However that's SOP now. Roderick and maybe some of the other Muppets also said "nobody has a veto on the who their neighbours are".

    It's getting to be a meme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Posts: 172 ✭✭ Layne Quick Shoplifter


    This didn't seem to be reported in the mainstream media, more locally. His 'non profit' (hmmmm) accommodation for Ukrainians only, was torched! We don't have an accommodation crisis in Donegal, especially with Mica!!! Particularly in that area!

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/peter-casey-slams-thugs-who-torched-centre-he-built-for-ukrainian-refugees-1475593.html#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16842987803094&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    If all these property owners were putting asylum seekers up at their own expense from the goodness of their hearts and not from taxpayers money. None of them would give a shite about them.

    Think it's disgusting the money racket this has turned in to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    This is a common refrain of uninformed or ignorant people. "Been through a difficult journey". "have trauma".

    Martin doesn't know these people, he doesn't know how they got there. Some may have flew in, some in a truck, some on a boat, but he has no clue.

    It's this ignorant, almost racist line we are constantly fed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Are we at that limit, in your opinion?

    If not when would we be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    I would go back even further but you probably need to be older. Witnessed my first example of this new trend in the late 80s, and through the 90s across the public sector and what we now know as NGOs. By 2000, pretty common. I don't think this has really exploded across wider society until the last decade.

    Been quite a successful approach by the Left. Not actually having much political power, through democratic voting, but built up an influence through academia and the media. 20-30 years of that and we are where we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    I never suggested they were rapists or murderers.

    Merely asking somebody if they'd like the street they live on turned into some sort of ghetto work asylum seekers and social houses.

    Is your local town willing to take in an indefinite quantity of people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I go past the one in East Wall all the time and you see some people coming and going and sometimes people smoking outside.

    I realise ireland can't take any more but this idea that if they're placed somewhere they're all going to molest your children and turn places into no go zones is 100% nonsense and its being peddled by certain factors.

    East Wall and surrounds as the same as they always were, a little bit dodgy but nowhere near as bad as they used to he, fugees or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Some Green party senator on morning Ireland seemed to imply that 20000 asylum seekers entered the country in the last year.

    This seems awfully high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    I wonder how much this CEO gets paid via the taxpayer to be going into bat on morning Ireland over Magowna.

    I bet there are no refugees camping in his front garden. Another one grabbing money out of the situation while pretending to care no doubt.


    The Chief Executive of a Limerick-based non-profit organisation that helps promote and protect the rights of migrants, said Ireland is at a crisis point when it comes to reception and accommodation for asylum seekers.

    John Lannon of Doras said far right mis-information and lies have contributed to community issues, as has poor communication from the Government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    I'd say keep going. 83000 since Ukraine started was mentioned on TV last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Heard that interview.we’re all far right racists for questioning what’s going on.one question not asked.where’s the wars in Brazil,Nigeria and South Africa at the minute?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    why did you feel you had to mention it was 39 men?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Because we are discussing Magowna and it's all men that are being put there.

    Would you like if all the houses on your street were taken over by the government and men packed into them?

    I bet you are another mouthpiece who doesn't have any refugees camping on your front lawn either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    once again you mention the fact they are men. 😂

    men are not all dangerous you know, would you care if it was 39 women?

    loads of refugees in my local area, they are a great addition to my town, glad to have them here.

    Have a bit of compassion for gods sake, they are refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I heard that as well and I've also repeatedly heard it stated that these poor young frightened men are fleeing war & persecution and may have suffered terrible things. It's stated just baldly like that, without a shred of backup and no questioning from the journalist.

    If we had a house burglary tomorrow and I went to the Gardaí, they'd want the details and to check it out with a visit in due course. You can't just make up stuff and make a claim, not legally anyway.

    So why the free passes from journalists - we need to hear more hard questions being asked. Verifiable details of the terrible war & persecution these young men flee from in fear of their lives. And if they can't produce it, well then let's have no nonsense being spouted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    How do you know they are all genuinely fleeing war and persecution?

    How many have you taken in yourself?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I find it remarkable that every single commentator I have heard interviewed on this subject in the media is a paid employee of government or an NGO.

    It tells it's own story when the only voices we hear are those who have a financial interest in this madness continuing.

    I strongly suspect that a few on this thread are in a similar situation.

    It's easy to pretend that there is widespread support when the only viewpoint that gets official recognition is paid to think a certain way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Because I gave them a survey to fill out obviously and interrogated them about it.

    I never said I took any in, it isn't my house to take anyone in, I would if I could though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    How much money do you give them each week to help them out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭tastyt


    At this point anyone who is still pro immigration in the way it’s been done in this country is just an idiot and there is no point talking sense to them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,641 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    what has that got to do with refugees coming to our local towns?

    This is about racists who hate refugees being in Ireland and normal people who have no problem with them.

    I have donated to these refugees though if you must know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Yup.

    Its all paid opinions.

    It's a bit like the COVID. RTE etc. were getting massive advertising revenue from the HSE etc. so it very much in their interest to keep it going.

    All these CEO's of NGO's are on their own career path in the charity industry.

    The more media profile they get the more likely they are to get promoted to another plum job on the gravy train.



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