Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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I don't know that there were any consequences for those guards who offered drugs and money to get a transient close to Bailey, or coercing a witness for a false statement in a court of law or the Bandon Garda station tapes? There should have been, and it would have been possible to identify the responsible Guards.
The minimum would have been to have them fired, and no access to any privileged pensions.
And no consequences or charges brought by GSOC for the deliberate tampering with evidence as conveniently the supposed Garda managing the evidence was deceased!
A 30 year old murder solved in Sunderland using low levels of DNA.
The murderer of a young girl Nicky Allen escaped justice for 30 years because police focused on the wrong man.
“He was prosecuted but acquitted at a trial in 1993 after a judge ruled police had used "oppressive" tactics when questioning him and said his confession had been obtained under duress.”
A local man, overlooked at the time as police fixated on the wrong man.
Thanks for that one. However what seems to be different here is that there are less lose ends. Also there is an indication to a motive even if it's some fantasy or obsession. Also there is mention of a stabbing, meaning matching murder weapon to murderer would be easier, same as a brick being used in an abandoned house as opposed to a cavity block at an entrance and gate anybody could have used. Also the international aspect is missing.
In Sophie's case neither the motive nor whether the killer was local or from afar is known and the murder site plus the murder weapon could have been visited or handled by anybody.
I wasn't comparing the two murders at all, Just pointing out in the case of David Boyd, the police fixated on the wrong suspect and Boyd nearly got away with it but for the advances in DNA technology.
Anybody? Very few would have cause to move around a large concrete block by hand. Sophie, some neighbours and that's about all. If DNA showed someone else outside of those it would be very difficult to explain.
A block could have been used to prop the gate open.
Yes but why would anyone be there to do that unless they were among the people I suggested?
Difficult, but not beyond reasonable doubt. Suppose somebody stated being lost, ( not unreasonable to think of ), being there, entering the gate, asking for directions?
The main problem with DNA in this particular case is that the murder weapon doesn't seem to be the exclusive "ownership" of anybody.
It's something anybody else could have touched, handled, or otherwise used. Any guest or contractor visiting Alfie and Shirley, also the two of them themselves, plus Sophie and her guests visiting, same as the Richardson's and their guest's and friend's DNA could have been there and touched that cavity block.
Did Bailey ever visit Alfie and Shirley? Also he could have touched that cavity block prior to the murder whilst opening and closing the gate, without being the murderer.
The gate did not need propping open.
Bailey did gardening for Alfie and he was also at Shirley's retirement bbq a couple of years prior to the murder. Why would he or any of the people you mentioned be handling a block in the pumphouse wall?
Just guessing here but possibly a concrete block exposed to elements not as hospitable for retaining touch transfer DNA as say clothes fibres.
The explanations or excuses for handling the cavity block can be manifold. Any halfway credible and creative answer would have done. It could have been as trivial as something like "felt dizzy and needed to pause and hold on to something" and the cavity block was the first available thing to hold on to in the spur of the moment.
Anything would have done. As said, it's not about a knife owned by somebody or a firearm registered to somebody.
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Search for Hedgehog on Koude Kass Sophie Site... Read about Heinz Wollny on that site. I cant post links
REad about Heinz Wollny on Koude Kaas Sophie Site...
Is it this one:
https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-murder-of-sophie-toscan-du-plantier.html
Yep
Thoughts?
Maybe but some explanations might strain credibility. Say in the case that the DNA was from someone outside the circle or worse someone supposed to be outside the country at the time?
You'd be right very difficult but using the latest techniques it might be possible?
Hmm I'd be doubtful - would need to have been stored pristinely with that in mind. But the boffins might surprise us yet.
Yes, the chain of custody might be a problem. The French forensics team complained that some bags were not sealed properly, others just left open and that’s without the stuff that was kept at different sites or just missing altogether. It’s possible there was no DNA left on anything, like Sophie wasn’t touched or gloves used, who knows.
Interesting drama based on real life started on BBC last night ‘The Steeltown Murders’ solved using familial DNA matching for the first time in 2002 in a murder case from 1973. But is there DNA putting someone at the scene at the time of Sophie’s murder? Breaking an alibi now might be the only way.
@chooseusername Breaking an alibi now might be the only way.
Even if a suspect changed their alibi, it would require a massive leap to be able to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Unless there is a miracle or an admission, this case will remain unsolved.
You may be correct.
A block exposed to the elements and not properly stored might pose a problem.
But it has been done on cloth before.
The same method might work on a block, Same principle.
In this case.they could take the pattern from the block (ie the way the lines and small holes on the block surface,texture extraction ) once they have they have that pattern.
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They can use that pattern as a filter and detect the fingerprint (using a special light source with the filter applied)
Thus exposing a fingerprint.
It's a good thought, I'd say. Suppose they find Bruno's DNA or her husband's DNA on that cavity block. Both claim having alibis, both claim not having been in the country. It's possible to prove that the DNA is theirs, but not that they were there at a certain point in time to kill Sophie.
It would however raise further questions if say DNA was found of a friend of Sophie's husband, somebody who never visited the house together with Sophie at any time prior to the murder. One would ask, what was he doing there and why?
Interesting point but they may not have any of those DNA profiles to match against... just unknown male sample found.
Would the French allow cross matching to their databases?
Based on past conduct doubtful...
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