In Dublin this will affect civil and public servants the most, which is why it hasn't been implemented. It's a great idea though......
But isn't that the whole point of park and ride. Encourage everyone to leave their cars at the outskirts and use public transport to reduce congestion in the city centre.
It's self defeating to do something that discourages people parking at park and ride locations.
If a location might be used for local non-park-and-ride parking and it is wanted to discourage this, it can be addressed by using a validated travel ticket to validate parking.
On what grounds were the fines issued?
I've looked at street view for the location, the rules of the road, consolidated road traffic acts, Co.Carlow traffic and parking bylaws and it is not clear why they were ticketed.
The grounds probably were some power-hungry, car hating, jumped up greenie behind a desk who never done a physical days work in their sad lives deciding to heap misery on hard working commuters who had the audacity to think about car-pooling. It really is as simple as that.
The article suggests it was an issue of parking on the motorway junctions. So just illegal and bad parking. At least that's what the article is suggesting.
The comments were in relation to an existing car park that doesnt current have the space for everyone who wants to turn up and park for free.
Have a look at car parks at the red cow and the various train stations. They aren't empty. People aren't being discouraged by the imposition of a small fee.
We pay for on street parking in towns/cities, parking shopping centres etc. To me its fairly normal to pay to park the car. Obviously if theres a free option I'd avail of that first. I just don't understand why some people expect free parking at a park and ride car park.
From the picture in the article :
they are parked at the side of the R448. They are not on the motorway or on the junction. They are up the sliproad, through the roundabout of the overpass dumbell and on the hard shoulder of the regional road towards Carlow.
This is the location:
County Kildare
https://maps.app.goo.gl/szHb4UnAJb6tX1Lo8
Driving or parking on the hard shoulder of a motorway is an offense and is clearly stated in the road traffic act but, a bit to my surprise, looking at the rules of the road, carlow traffic and parking byelaws and the rules of the road I can't see any law or byelaw against it on other road types.
Does the ticket say exactly which section and subsection of the law or byelaw is broken.
The €80 fine is a level where it is dearer to challenge than pay but it might be worth it for a few drivers to chip in and get advice from a solicitor familiar with road traffic law.
Is that a solid white line in the middle of the road? If so, it’s illegal to park there.
It's about incentivising people to use public transport by making it more attractive than driving into a congested city centre.
Every little bit raises the barrier in the will I use my car or public transport. If you want people to use. public transport more, don't discourage them.
Germany and Austria has 365-euro annual public transportation ticket. 1-euro a day for unlimited mobility in a city.
If we want Irish people to use public transport as much as mainland Europeans we need to have a similar public transport offering.
At the moment we're comparing apples to elephants.
you can see parked cars there on google satellite view; and a solid white line:
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.8909483,-6.8584402,251m/data=!3m1!1e3
It would seem to less than ideal to have a bunch of people exiting cars and walking up to busy motorway junction. Especially when it's Dark.
"...One commuter who sought clarity from Kildare County Council believes the issue may have been that parking on the grass verge at Prumplestown is not allowed, while parking inside the broken yellow lines is acceptable.
“Parking on the broken yellow lines is much more dangerous; at least on the grass verge you’re well pulled in...."
As for what specific rule is being broken, no idea. Seems odd they are being evasive about it. Perhaps it's ..
"At the side of a road that has a single white lane down the middle and/or a “No Overtaking” sign (unless there are 3 or more lanes each way)"
Anyway thats a local parking issue nothing to do with city center parking.
It's not about money if they are happy to pay the higher costs of driving into the city center.
Besides....
That said I've nothing against making it cheaper. Might have other advantages.
To be fair it's only really the likes of PBP that want free public transport.
There's no reason public transport should cost what it does though. Vienna. €1 a day. Dublin, assuming two journeys, €4 a day.
A journey I've referred to frequently on here. Newbridge to the IFSC. Brother does it. 17 quid plus whatever the luas costs each way. It would be cheaper to drive.
it's a hell of a lot different than it use to be - i remember a friend telling me about his friend from bray doing job interviews, and i think getting to one interview cost over €15 return - dart to dublin, bus to the interview, and then home.
now that'd be €4, and there's a €5.60 daily cap too.
I think your pricing and costs are off.
Viennas transport is funded by large subsidies, metro tax and ironically considering this thread title, car parking fees.
That 90 minute fare is a great improvement. But I saw that first in Europe 30 years ago.
Which prices are off?
The cost of driving that distance to work on an annual basis. The mileage being racked up.
Maybe you could provide some figures per journey if you're going to dispute mine?
so possibly under section 36(2)(d) of S.I. No. 182 of 1997.ROAD TRAFFIC (TRAFFIC AND PARKING) REGULATIONS, 1997
36. (1) Save as otherwise provided for in these Regulations and subject to article 5, a vehicle shall not be parked on a public road at a location, in a manner or for a purpose referred to in this article.
(2) A vehicle shall not be parked -
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( d ) on a section of roadway with less than 3 traffic lanes and where traffic sign number RRM 001 [continuous white line] has been provided;
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As it is illegal to drive on the hard shoulder is it considered roadway? Is there a precise legal definition of public road and roadway?
Can't find a fare that matches what you said and the average running costs for a car per day are far higher even without fuel. Then the fuel costs and maintenance of 50k each way (100k daily). Can't see it.
You have to wonder what information ChatGPT or AI will output considering you have to double check things like the Red Cow Parking and Austrian Public Transport information.
i don't think it's illegal to drive on the hard shoulder, in the sense of there being a blanket ban - it's provided for a reason, and essentially can't be used without being driven on (e.g. if someone is stopped and turning right, IIRC you can undertake them on the left if there's room in the hard shoulder to do so).
Looking at most of the people reporting on it, much of those parking are from Carlow but the Parking falls within Kildare. While I have no doubt its just people trying to make ends meet. Abandoning your car at the side of the road, seems unsustainable in the long term. I see there been a lot of support for a park and ride (Park and car share) there. Maybe that something to promote nationally.
You can't drive in it if it full of parked cars thats for sure.
So nothing to back up your argument. Got it.
A return ticket from Newbridge to Heuston is €16.90. The luas is €1.30 from Heuston to Spencer Dock.
All in €19.50 giving a per journey cost of €9.75.
It doesn't really matter since he doesn't drive it and pays for the convenience. I just think its on the dear side.
A bizarre post since there was nothing in your link to dispute what I said about public transport in Vienna.
No costs on driving so nothing to back up your argument ..got it.
As you say costs are irrelevant if someone is going to drive regardless.
Not able to read? I said he doesn't drive.
How would I know what his driving costs are? You were the one who claimed my prices and costs were off and still haven't backed it up.
You said it would be cheaper to drive.
We could certainly follow the Austrian model your espousing of making car drivers help fund cheaper public transport though parking fees and such. Seems a lot of synergy with ending free parking of the topic title.
