All true....
Unfortunately not all of us claimed an air launched ballistic missile couldn't be stopped
Could still be a GLSDB launched from a HiMars launcher
Probably this.
It was seen once in public a few years ago,but suddenly it was used to day according to the Russians makes no sense what so ever , along the the Storm shadows which hasn't been delivered yet despite the claims on here ,I said jdam but more than likely it was a GLSDB
I was joking. Who knows what was used, why does it even matter?
But yet it was claimed by Russian sources.
"Russia tried to destroy a US-made Patriot air defense system in Ukraine last week with a hypersonic missile, two US officials told CNN.
The attack failed, and the Ukrainian military instead intercepted the missile using the Patriot system, the officials said, marking their first known successful Ukrainian use of the advanced air defense system only weeks after it arrived in country."
Interesting. Was the hypersonic missile supposedly shot down aimed at the Patriot system?
An intact missile has not been recovered. I know you struggle with this as you posted a pic of a an unfired Iskander missile sitting on the ground, flaps unopened, pristine condition as proof Ukraine can shoot down basaltic missiles. What you saw on the pics of the Kinzhal missile was the inner warhead on the ground. Now I know you have stated if we don't know the target of the missile, how can we know it missed. So if the target was indeed a football pitch (I believe I believe it wasn't), it hit the target.
I don;t have to provide evidence of PAC-3 missiles in Ukraine as:
A) If it was a PAC-3, more than likely the warhead would have been destroyed into a million (don't quote me on exactly 1 million) pieces as it targets the warhead. It could have missed the warhead and struck the rest of the missile, causing the warhead to separate and fall, it wouldn't impact the ground at Mach 4.
B) it was struck with a PAC-2 missile, which explodes before the missile, with a shower of fragments, some of which would struck the missile, causing it to fall apart in mid air. Causing the warhead to seperate and fall to the ground.
The mostly intact warhead casing looks like either (A) A PAC -3 missile missed the warhead and struck the rest of the missile, causing the warhead to separate and fall or (B) A PAC -2 missile detonated in the path of the missile, causing the warhead to separate and fall.
Both PAC-2 and PAC-3 missiles can down a ballistic missile, which a Kinzhal mimics in it's decent stage.
Yet when Ukraine and the US claim Ukraine took down a ballistic missile (as you state, Kinzhal is) you refuse to entertain their claims and instead call it propaganda.
I can't definitively claim they did,neither can anyone on here, even the US claimed it with high confidence (that's not 100%). But to say it's propaganda is..... well it's a little fucked up.
That's exactly what propaganda is...
Talking about being late to the game,
It's like when you said I said ukraine were firing dud 155 shells despite me or no one else making the claim but you still claimed I said it , that's not propaganda that's someone not reading a simple post between two individuals and thinking they found a gotcha,
But as we've seen from the Russians they have blown up 100 HiMars, Challenger 2s, leopard 2s , Abrams when they haven't that propaganda, ukraine does propaganda too ,
Someone else moaned about details very recently and why would it matter,
It's all in the details
The US confirmed they shot down a missle,as seen in the video posted the other day,and in the post made today with the transcript of the video,
This all came from a single post on social media
You should have realised by now that you're dealing with a very augmentative poster. Life is too short.
I'm confused.... so you think the US and Ukraine are going the propaganda route claiming they downed a Kinzhal missile when they didn't?
Your belief is not only did Ukraine not down said missile, they and the US claimed they did, despite all the evidence you've yet to present?
I'll admit I have no physical evidence apart from photos and what the US and Ukraine claim, if you feel they are lying, I'm sure you have evidence to back it up?
Propaganda it's really
Not true,
But I will challenge people who make up stuff before running away as I've done since day one
Gatling take a day off you gate keeping cant
Well, think he has marked his cards now
Propganda
did I get the reply right?
You don't want to counter any arguments about how a PAC2/3 system can down a basaltic missile?
And how the result of each can look different? PAC-3 being hit kill etc...?
Did you identify the debris from the 'propaganda' pic of the kinzahl missile? What kinda missile was it, that would end it all and prove Russia right.
The only evidence for the GLSDB being in Ukraine that I have seen is a claim to that effect in TASS. I'm sure if the Orcs are claiming they are in Ukraine, it must be true.
Oh look, they alread shot one down, over a month ago, so you must be right /s
I never said they couldn't,
Again making up claim you said this and you said that but i didn't, just like when you repeatedly claimed I said the Ukrainans were using dud 155 rounds ,
Pure omelette recipe
Pac2 /pac 3 ,
Show us pac 3 launchers in Ukraine,
Let me guess you don't know but yet you keep bringing up pac 3 ,
They have been hitting targets since late January with them being enemy lines , remember when you repeatedly told us that they were jdams ,
Did you ever get any evidence of jdams you posted a video recently where you claimed Jdam strikes, except the missles in the video proved that claim as false
There's a thin line between shooting deserters and in fighting between factions
Claims of Wagner forces involved in massacre in mali where 500 civilians were killed earlier in the year too
Propaganda
@jmreire how's your Russian.......
Indeed. My question is - if this is a warhead from something else, then what is that something else? It should be recognizable as much of the Russian arsenal isn't a secret (unlike the Kinzhal)
Frankly it could be a number of things couldn't it. For example both the Russians and the US make most of their missile systems work with interchangeable warheads, many of them to accept a nuclear yield of at least 5 kt. Terrifying weapons to think about hypersonic missile systems in general, and what it means for MAD Doctrine, you might be cooked before someone has time to cop on and tweet Duck and Cover.
When you look at ICBMs which will carry the majority of nukes in the event of MAD being enacted those missle fly at over Mach 20 + ,
5x the speed of sound is one thing but try dealing with something travelling at 20× speed of sound with a nuclear weapon on board, even the PAC 3 patriots only travel at mach 3/4 with very much limited range,
That's the scary thing ,
Any ICBM, unless there's some new fantastic launcher tech they're keeping top secret, still have a lottt of time, relatively speaking, to get up to apex and begin its ballistic approach, and get up to those speeds. and launch the MIRVs that will finish the job off. Whereas these can be launched off the belly of a MiG, from anywhere, just outside of or hell, even within a blast/fallout radius.
Don't forget the Vuhledar disaster. Yeah there was no way they were going to build up and launch one massive attack. Could be looking at a month or two of these smaller scale breakthroughs before they go for a big one.
Then again,you dont use patriots to intercept ICBMs,you have the ground based midcourse defence,Thaad and Aegis for that
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