Thats what they said,it was alot of things that went wrong that particular day
And i think Serbia spent alot of ground to air missiles as well,shooting blindly on many occations
But NATO had their mistakes too,remember the chinese embassy incident.
And i think both Russia and China got their hands on stealth technology after this incident
I still don't believe the Chinese embassy was accidental ,
Seems people are getting tied up about detecting or tracking a glide bomb on radar. The issue is if you can detect it, based on what Ukraine has in its arsenal, how do you intercept it?
So even with the US stating with high confidence that Ukraine shot down a hypersonic missile, (or air launched ballistic missile, as you say) you still don't believe?
Wasn't so long you were calling the kinzhal a wunderwaffen as an insult.
Not sure,i dont want to go into the details,but the chinese seems to be faster moving their personell from Embassies in conflict areas these days
You can't intercepted it with a missle system,for the simple reason missles are designed to interpret at altitude you can't intercept one that's coming in low are through built up areas ,that give you the option of gun bases systems Gepards or rheinmetall skynex systems already in Ukraine, mobile and better suited to low level Targets,but are vulnerable to attack themselves if you move them to the front lines, along with traditional Anti aircraft guns which can be easily mounted to trucks,
I guess missiles are out,so next will be skyranger 30 or Gepards,or other gun based systems
Yeah it was bullshit claim
Prigozyn posted a poll which showed in an election Putin would get 42% of the vote but he'd get 39%.
Either Putin is sick and he's been set up as his successor or he's challenging him. Either way it's good.
Iron dome system operations in Israel
Gepards have a 5km range, so if the glide bomb has a 10:1 glide slope it would be engaging it when the bomb is only 500m in altitude. That's assuming the Gepard is right on the front line (which would be within artillery range) pretty risky having them so close.
It's sunnier ...
on a serious note, Cyprus offered humanitarian aid in demining (like Ireland)... they also have a load of still active mine fields, so no better place to train than on the real thing... a lot of their weaponry is Soviet, so probably the same mines too that are in Ukraine.
And this is a huge problem, do you risk sending valuable systems to the front lines to try take out glide bombs in this case,and leave a potential gap somewhere or risk losing a Gepard or a few , I mentioned earlier a British stormer was lost recently after getting hit with a lancet somewhere near the front,and that's a short range high mobility air defense system ,
Even the air defense systems need active protection from another system or systems
there are missile tests going on in the Barent's sea this week, so if anything is even half successful, it'll most likely be here we'll see test images from...
And yet for all the huff and puff,
Russian weapons are still causing havoc in Ukraine,and there not even wunderwaffins
B-1 bombers also due into RAF Fairford over the next week or so, so will be some interesting sorties over the next few weeks which I reackon the Russian's will piss and moan about.
Yes there was a Serbian fighter at the scene as well, that's true, I can vouch for that LOL. The friendship bit does not surprise me one bit either. I'd put it down to shared experiences, and "talking the same talk" and when not on a war footing, its a pretty common occurrence. Aside from that, the Serbs generally are a pretty friendly people,, a bit like the Irish in that you can strike up a conversation with total strangers. ( BTW, the Irish are very popular in Serbia, in no small way because the Serbs believe that the Irish came from Serbia, and to this day, live on in the Tara Mountain region)
That's a real up your to Putin.
Possibly, but after the Serb pilot gave the location of the Stealth fighter to the defense on the ground, they still could not see him on their radar's, (until the bomb bay doors opened) but could see their own fighter. And there was plenty of active air traffic back at that time, every night.
Yes, there were Russians all over it ( not sure about the Chinese, but more than likely they there also ) The US broadcast a lot on TV about how dangerous the material was due to its stealth property's, and that no one should go near it , or touch the surface. etc. NATO lost a lot of stuff too to fake decoys, the Serbs went around collecting old washing machine etc. camouflaged them and stuck plastic piping on them to make them look like tanks and artillery etc. Then waited for NATO to waste munition's on them. I remember one farmer telling how he put one of his agricultural machines ( one that picked up the cut grass, and lifted it into a high rise trailer, so had a long "snout" on it) The machine fitted into the shed, but the snout was sticking out. That night, his shed was bombed to bits. Also, there were countless bombers that had to jettison their bombs in the sea, as it was too dangerous to land with them. There was a big recovery operation afterwards to retrieve them. They were a pretty hectic 10 weeks for sure.
Excellent video on the F117 shootdown. Covers pretty much everything on how it happened.
I still can't make up my mind about it, even to this day, was it deliberate or accidental. Either way, the US was bowing and apologizing like no ones business to the Chinese after it happened. If it was deliberate, it was one helluva risky move.
There was rumours in articles back in the 90s i remember that debris and parts from the shot down f117 was being kept in the chinese embassy to be shipped back to China,and thats why it was bombed,but i would say that would have been a risky move allright.
Then its the stray bomb or missile theory as well
Hard to say,really what went on behind the curtains back in those days
There have always been tensions between Russia,China and US/NATO,and it certainly havent gone any better these days,and probably will be worse in the future.
Did you hear about the "Happy Grandpa and asshole" comment, either Prigozyn has become unhinged or he seriously believes he can challenge Putin. With Wagners terrorist designation, and this, and the disaster of an unco-ordinated wagner withdrawal that left an artillery line of the regular army with no infantry cover something is going to happen.
There's no mention of a Serbian fighter plane in the air at that time in that Vid, but on the ground and locally, there was plenty of talk about it, and that was how the defenses knew where to look. Anyway....
I still doubt very much that the "Happy Grandfather" jibe was aimed at Putin. Had to be either Shoigu or Gerasimov. That kind of direct challenge to Putin could not go unchallenged. And anyone who challenges Putin do not normally live long enough to regret it.
What’s the margin of error? 42.5%?
Falling out windows.
How it started
Should be on the first flight to Moscow,one way ticket if you ask me
It should be noted that the destruction to Ukrainian infrastructure pictured is actually less serious than it looks. Apparently the Kinzhal missile isn't hypersonic, which means that when it hits, no damage really occurs, because it isn't really hypersonic. Which is a big relief for the two people who were supposedly injured and admitted to hospital; because they weren't because it never happened.
It's amazing how arguing semantics about a single word on an internet forum, can render an entire weapon system useless and ineffectual. I can't imagine why Ukraine still issues a nationwide alert every time a Mig-31 takes off in Belarus because it might be carrying one of these fake missiles that have only ever been intercepted once.
I find it interesting that the west has concocted a definition of hypersonic missile that conveniently doesn't fit anything Russia has. In fact, so exacting is this definition that nothing the west has fielded, that I am aware of, fits the definition either. Apparently making course corrections isn't sufficient to class as manoeuvering.
If this were 1957 and the USSR had just launched Sputnik 1, there'd be western pundits defining 'orbit the earth' to mean something other than what it does, so as to ensure Sputnik didnt fit the definition so everyone could breathe a sigh of relief.
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