that is horrific reading...never mind WWI theyve gone back to the middle ages,as someone on that mentioned on that with the warmer weather there will be a plague of rats etc feeding on the bodies,all sorts of sickness will come out of that...the old black death even...
It's not so simple,and yet we still don't know if a patriot can interpret an hypersonic missile even it's just an air launched ballistic missile,
Its about size,not mass
A B52 have a larger cross section than a tomahawk missile
“Its about size,not mass“
another term for cross sectional area in this case…
The tomahawk is smaller yes. Functionally too it is more dense as function of mass over volume than a bomber.
They can detect it,but the hardest part is to get a target lock and shoot it down in time
Same thing,common sense
And its not only about cross section,its about shape of the object as well
Look at the shape of f117 first stealth bombers that reflects radar waves,because of the way its designed.
And a missile would be harder to detect because it refects less radar waves than a B52
A glide bomb would be easier to detect than a dumb bomb because of its wings sticking out,because its more surface to reflect radar waves
And from there not cross section or deflection geometry but paint job too to absorb some of the wider iirc radar bands, several types being used for different detection methods.
the kinzhal that wasnt a kinzhal. Klitchsco posing with an alleged kinzhal that was shot down, basically proves it to be false.
Kinzhal is 8m long 1m diameter, the missile fragment he's holding is less than half that wide
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1656349812889989120
Yes but point was mass is irrelevant, as somebody earlier tried to posit it was.
500kg or 50kg is irrelevant, cross section is all that matters.
Exactly,that where F35 shines that have the radar absorbing materials baked into the skin ala fiber mat technology
The NSM missiles used the reflection method as well
I just explained it,its about size and shape of the object
Some reflects more or less because of shape,not mass
A F16 fighter jet is smaller and has a shorter wingspan compared to an F18 but the F18 has 1/5 th the RCS of the F16 (Radar Cross Section)
I’ve seen the F35 production line in person and the way they use multi axis robot arms and attachments designed for each and every facet of the plane, a little bit at a time each attachment sprays the area of the hull that it’s designed to match perfectly and fully enclosed with to so there is no waste of what I am told is naturally a top secret formulation of paint that is very expensive. I don’t know if it’s more expensive than printer ink by volume, but let’s say it is. I didn’t sign an NDA for my visit so I think this information is already out there (it is, mould in place coating system)
the other thing was CAD, really come a long way since the F117, the geometry has the same benefits of geometric deflection but instead of there being a bunch large flats on the hill it’s quite smooth thanks to computer splining and interpolation math, so there is nary an angle in which a radar could be perpendicular with a large flat section of the plane even for a moment.
There’s an old report of an F117 being shot down and the cause seems to be its long range stealth didn’t hold up at short range and short wavelengths, when it engaged ground forces at close range they hit it with a shoulder launched missile iirc. That’s part you why they operated at night, if you saw them up there in the distance you could hone radar on them and pick up a lock.
Thats because the f18 was designed and shaped to have lower RCS
Radar cross section describes how much of a return you get from something, which affects how easy it is to detect it, or how far away it can be detected from.
It is determined by the size and shape of something, as well as what it is made of.
Some materials allow radar waves to pass right through, in much the same way that light can pass through some solids. These are usually low-mass materials. Other materials absorb the waves by causing them to get "stuck" bouncing around on/below the surface - so planes may be coated/painted with these materials.
If you shape your aircraft very cleverly you can have it so radar waves mostly bounce away and never go back to a receiver.
There is a patent ready and available to read about F35s fibermat technology
The f117 shoot down was because the pilot left the bomb bay doors open and was detected at13 km with a p18 low frequency radar,the p18 have 250 km range.
Rumour that Zaluzhny or maybe both him and Syrsky are missing. Dunno if true.
🙄 ... and another rumour that other rumours are just rumours.
Serbian's changed the wavelength of their short range AA detection radar (after info from the Russian's) to which the F-117 was not stealthy to... it was only for a short period of time and when hit at certain angles, but was long enough to lock and shoot a missile at it
Irish troops finally begin training Ukrainan soldiers in EOD and demining in Cyprus
,why not here ?
Usual sources on Twitter very quiet. Is the counteroffensive kicking off? Are the Leopard Panzers rolling?
Yeah the Senior Fellow at Lockheed didn't really wanna answer my questions about it, just begrudged that they got a lucky shot, went into nothing technical about the stealth fighter, that sly bastard.
Yes, it happened over Belgrade during the Kosovo crisis, but before he opened the bomb bay doors, he was spotted by a Serbian fighter who who gave his position as a guide when the Serbian radar could not see the stealth fighter, and told them to aim for a position relative to his own. Then the stealth fighter opened his bomb bay doors, and the rest is history, as they say!.
Given boards will be offline tomorrow, no doubt something big will happen and we'll be chomping at the bit for all the latest info on Friday.
Ah crap I might just have to earn my salary tomorrow, feel a flu coming on
Thanks,didnt know a serbian fighter was involved as well
Seen a documentary about a few years back,i believe the colonel in command of the air defence and pilot met and are good friends today
iirc as well it was at least the 2nd bombing run that had been made by that/other F117s in a short period, they were not reportedly alternating their heading or angle of attack, so the bombing run had a modicum of predictability to ground forces.
More than a coincidence.
Possible that the Ukrainian Govt have asked for boards.ie to be silenced to maintain operational security, where will the Kremlin go for up to speed information?
There was spotters all over the place they monitored the take offs of the aircraft,and from various landmarks to give the radar operators a visual location to scan ,
It's was never as simple as it was made out to be ,oh I turned on my radar and got a lock on and fired a missle or two with my Soviet era radar, there was always a fair amount of propaganda involved post bombing raids
That’s very annoying.
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