If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Why don't you try doing it yourself, what's the matter, are you unable to debate my points like a functioning adult?
Or is your style of debating just throwing out cheap insults until the other person gets bored/feel sorry for you and then leaves?
Out of words antipathetic, you've broken new ground here. An Irish nuclear weapons programme... 🤣
More, more 😂
I'm not surprised that you are out of words from what I have seen your debating skills are lacklustre at best. You can't refute anything I have said so you just respond with cheap insults and try to drag this thread off topic.
Perhaps one of the mods should remind you of the rules again.
You expect me...to debate...an Irish nuclear weapons programme? Seriously?
Your intellectual prowess never fails to disappoint and I truly am in awe of your incredible skill of debating and staying on topic.
Yes, seriously, what's the problem on having our own nuclear deterrent or should we just cower under the nuclear umbrella of other nations two of which have increasing internal problems, so could be seen in the future as not being very reliable partners.
If Pakistan can have nuclear weapons. I don't see why the Irish state cannot also be allowed to have them for our national defence.
A world where Ireland has an independent nuclear arsenal implies a world where all the countries of equal or greater power and wealth than Ireland also have their own nuclear deterrents.
Maybe some large companies will have nukes as well? In a world where most UN member states have 10s - 100s of nukes, I'm sure some must leak out to terrorists with enough funding + possibly state backing to procure them.
I don't think I want to live in that world mr "I'm serious"🤔 poster with the lovingly crafted Soviet star & hammer and sickle avatar. It will likely be one where use of nuclear weapons will be unavoidable and possibly quite a frequent occurance!
I never said that all countries should have a nuclear deterrent just that I think Ireland should have them. I see no problem with countries who have a strong history of remaining neutral and politically stable. Having access to a suitable means of deterring another nation who wishes to invade and subjugate them.
I think what I posted inevitably follows from a world that has become so insecure that a country like Ireland (neutral + politically stable) needs its own nuclear weapons to deter invaders.
That you see no problems with it at all and think it a good policy (for today) is quite incredible.
Anyway, you are probably joking (I hope). Otherwise... god bless you!
Between the ramblings about AI and the talk of a Doomsday Machine for Ireland, is anyone else getting Dr Strangelove vibes? 😅
Please point out what I said about AI is untrue?
That's of course if you are able to, or are you only capable of attempting to drag discussions off topic by coming up with nonsense all of the time?
Well (I didn't respond at the time..maybe shouldn't be doing it now...it is all very off topic) but there was a real bang of "no it is the children who are wrong" off your exculpation of the communist systems in Soviet Union + China etc. for all the brutality, human suffering and misery they managed to generate. Oh it's not these systems, it is the humans. If only they'd had the IT revolution & what we have today (as we sit on the cusp of development of very useful general purpose AI systems) it would have been different!
I don't think so. Look at what the Chinese state/CCP is doing with the tools the current IT revolution has given them + what they will do with powerful AI I expect. The likes of Stalin and Beria would have loved it, an AI powered robot foot stamping on a human face forever.
Remember, if we leave aside all the gulags, economic collapses, basement torture, central government generated famines, goods shortages, Stasi neighbourhood ratting networks, press censorship, pogroms, population transfers, surveilence statism and a few other minor quibbles - Marxist Leninism and Communism isn't half bad you know.
All we need is... *checks notes * AI and a nuclear device to make it work.
We are truly through the looking glass.
Meanwhile Russian ship's in the news again
So we've gone from not wanting to join NATO to wanting Ireland to be an international pariah.
Completely pointless discussion if you are that disconnected from the reality of the world.
Relax Gatling, they're just on a booze cruise and wanted to take a poke at our world famous beautiful sea-bed. I see the dastardly British are harranguing the utterly peacful transit of the Russian navy in our waters. The audacity.
If only we had a thermonuclear device to detonate above them to set this right, and we could bid our Russian friends a prosperous sailing to their home port to return again once more. AI will take care of the rest - the algorithm has determined we're all having lamb chops for dinner, protein shortages in most of the country notwithstanding.
Ah yes, more irrelevant bullshit from you. Well, I guess that is your speciality.
Remind me again how many countries the US has bombed since the end of World War II. Can you remember from the last time I posted the image?
Everything you have listed above. Also applies to the so-called civilised nations of the West. Now before you accuse me of being an apologist for the above, I condemn all acts of violence against others and steadfastly believe that peace is always the best option.
You can bury your head up your own arse as much as you want but people way smarter than you and me believe that general artificial intelligence is coming. It is my belief that these AI systems will be fully capable of making their own decisions and will be beyond human control. I only hope that they treat us with kindness and bring about a new golden age for humanity.
Conflating "Irish controlled waters" with Ireland's EEZ is pretty poor reporting I have to say though. Its either deliberately or ignorantly confusing territorial waters with economic waters.
Golden age of humanity? I suppose it would make a welcome change from the golden age of stupidity we're witnessing unfold in this thread.
Just to be clear, you are right. I don't want Ireland to be part of NATO. I want us to have the means to defend our own sovereignty. This, by the way, isn't some fringe view, but a view held by the majority of the public.
I distinctly remember saying in one of my previous posts that we should consider nuclear weapons as a means of defence. I didn't say we should 100% go for them regardless of any issues.
All of which is coming from your account.
It is impossible for us to become nuclear armed by international agreements without basically cutting ourselves off from the world. Its the height of insanity to suggest it.
You must be confusing me with the poster that's advocating Ireland aquire nuclear weapons.
Perhaps you are right, I will concede that point, however, we should remain out of NATO and build up our own defence force with particular focus given to the Navy considering we are of course an island nation.
No, I am 100% sure it is you. Also, you misspelled the word "acquire"
you're welcome.
Oh no Dr Intellectual Prowess spotted a typo, take me directly to the burns unit 🤣
Chat GPT Tankie still has some kinks in the algorithm.
Deliberately.
Hype and clicks.
An EEZ may be transited and used for a lawful purpose by a second country. If the coastal state can't defend it's EEZ from unlawful activities effectively from bad actors, it doesn't have one. Calling them "Irish controlled waters" is not a misnomer, as a matter of national sovereignity, it's the duty of the state to police, supervize and protect our EEZ from unlawful and malign activity. And interference with subsea infrastructure is definately unlawful activity - and we know Russia is capable.
Says the person who keeps telling us we don't need Nato
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