If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Just to be clear, you are right. I don't want Ireland to be part of NATO. I want us to have the means to defend our own sovereignty. This, by the way, isn't some fringe view, but a view held by the majority of the public.
I distinctly remember saying in one of my previous posts that we should consider nuclear weapons as a means of defence. I didn't say we should 100% go for them regardless of any issues.
Golden age of humanity? I suppose it would make a welcome change from the golden age of stupidity we're witnessing unfold in this thread.
Conflating "Irish controlled waters" with Ireland's EEZ is pretty poor reporting I have to say though. Its either deliberately or ignorantly confusing territorial waters with economic waters.
Ah yes, more irrelevant bullshit from you. Well, I guess that is your speciality.
Remind me again how many countries the US has bombed since the end of World War II. Can you remember from the last time I posted the image?
Everything you have listed above. Also applies to the so-called civilised nations of the West. Now before you accuse me of being an apologist for the above, I condemn all acts of violence against others and steadfastly believe that peace is always the best option.
You can bury your head up your own arse as much as you want but people way smarter than you and me believe that general artificial intelligence is coming. It is my belief that these AI systems will be fully capable of making their own decisions and will be beyond human control. I only hope that they treat us with kindness and bring about a new golden age for humanity.
Relax Gatling, they're just on a booze cruise and wanted to take a poke at our world famous beautiful sea-bed. I see the dastardly British are harranguing the utterly peacful transit of the Russian navy in our waters. The audacity.
If only we had a thermonuclear device to detonate above them to set this right, and we could bid our Russian friends a prosperous sailing to their home port to return again once more. AI will take care of the rest - the algorithm has determined we're all having lamb chops for dinner, protein shortages in most of the country notwithstanding.
So we've gone from not wanting to join NATO to wanting Ireland to be an international pariah.
Completely pointless discussion if you are that disconnected from the reality of the world.
Meanwhile Russian ship's in the news again
Remember, if we leave aside all the gulags, economic collapses, basement torture, central government generated famines, goods shortages, Stasi neighbourhood ratting networks, press censorship, pogroms, population transfers, surveilence statism and a few other minor quibbles - Marxist Leninism and Communism isn't half bad you know.
All we need is... *checks notes * AI and a nuclear device to make it work.
We are truly through the looking glass.
Well (I didn't respond at the time..maybe shouldn't be doing it now...it is all very off topic) but there was a real bang of "no it is the children who are wrong" off your exculpation of the communist systems in Soviet Union + China etc. for all the brutality, human suffering and misery they managed to generate. Oh it's not these systems, it is the humans. If only they'd had the IT revolution & what we have today (as we sit on the cusp of development of very useful general purpose AI systems) it would have been different!
I don't think so. Look at what the Chinese state/CCP is doing with the tools the current IT revolution has given them + what they will do with powerful AI I expect. The likes of Stalin and Beria would have loved it, an AI powered robot foot stamping on a human face forever.
Please point out what I said about AI is untrue?
That's of course if you are able to, or are you only capable of attempting to drag discussions off topic by coming up with nonsense all of the time?
Between the ramblings about AI and the talk of a Doomsday Machine for Ireland, is anyone else getting Dr Strangelove vibes? 😅
I think what I posted inevitably follows from a world that has become so insecure that a country like Ireland (neutral + politically stable) needs its own nuclear weapons to deter invaders.
That you see no problems with it at all and think it a good policy (for today) is quite incredible.
Anyway, you are probably joking (I hope). Otherwise... god bless you!
I never said that all countries should have a nuclear deterrent just that I think Ireland should have them. I see no problem with countries who have a strong history of remaining neutral and politically stable. Having access to a suitable means of deterring another nation who wishes to invade and subjugate them.
A world where Ireland has an independent nuclear arsenal implies a world where all the countries of equal or greater power and wealth than Ireland also have their own nuclear deterrents.
Maybe some large companies will have nukes as well? In a world where most UN member states have 10s - 100s of nukes, I'm sure some must leak out to terrorists with enough funding + possibly state backing to procure them.
I don't think I want to live in that world mr "I'm serious"🤔 poster with the lovingly crafted Soviet star & hammer and sickle avatar. It will likely be one where use of nuclear weapons will be unavoidable and possibly quite a frequent occurance!
Yes, seriously, what's the problem on having our own nuclear deterrent or should we just cower under the nuclear umbrella of other nations two of which have increasing internal problems, so could be seen in the future as not being very reliable partners.
If Pakistan can have nuclear weapons. I don't see why the Irish state cannot also be allowed to have them for our national defence.
Your intellectual prowess never fails to disappoint and I truly am in awe of your incredible skill of debating and staying on topic.
You expect me...to debate...an Irish nuclear weapons programme? Seriously?
I'm not surprised that you are out of words from what I have seen your debating skills are lacklustre at best. You can't refute anything I have said so you just respond with cheap insults and try to drag this thread off topic.
Perhaps one of the mods should remind you of the rules again.
More, more 😂
Out of words antipathetic, you've broken new ground here. An Irish nuclear weapons programme... 🤣
Why don't you try doing it yourself, what's the matter, are you unable to debate my points like a functioning adult?
Or is your style of debating just throwing out cheap insults until the other person gets bored/feel sorry for you and then leaves?
I have advocated for Ireland to consider getting its own nuclear deterrent to ensure that no other nation could ever again invade us.
🤣 Jesus Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey
Lads, can someone else field this one, I'm actually lost for words.
Apparently wanting your country to be able to defend itself without having to rely on others is pro-Russian now, you know if you search back through my history. I have advocated for Ireland to consider getting its own nuclear deterrent to ensure that no other nation could ever again invade us. Not that that is ever likely to happen in this universe. What is more likely is the USA to fracture internally and end up in a second civil war. Who's going to save us, then if you're favourite bad guys, the Russians come knocking?
There you go again throwing out cheap insults you think after your last thread ban because of all the temper tantrums you were throwing; you would have learned to be a bit more civil in discussions.
I never said that NATO was useless, just that it was useless without the USA and that's why we should focus on our own defence rather than relying on the nation that can't even fulfil its own recruitment targets and has big internal problems to solve.
I care deeply about Irish and European security. But I believe we should be able to deal with any threat on our own or with our European partners without relying on a nation that is an ocean away.
What part of multiple countries provided training to the Ukrainans over the last 10 years is difficult,not just America,
But Russia still invaded
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but yes, they did receive training by NATO prewar remind me again, who is the largest NATO member?
I'm pretty sure the majority of their funding and training came from the USA.
Tankie logic:
NATO is simultaniously a warmongering beast stalking the continent forcing the craythur Russians to invade neighbouring countries, but also useless.
And these are the same posters that want the US out of Europe, because...reasons. And at the same time they acknowledge that minus the US, NATO and the European security architecture fundamentally doesn't work, and Russia would be knocking on Poland's door right now should they leave.
Does everyone see where these sausages are going with this? They don't give a crap about European security, Ukraine's security or indeed Ireland's security. It's all rolling tobacco pamphleteer anti-American blather. Not what does or doesn't work for European security.
It's Tankie hall of mirrors guff.
Well done on completely missing the point. My point is that we shouldn't be reliant on others for our own protection. We should instead build up our own defence forces to be able to protect this island from any would-be attackers. We can start this by building a strong Navy with adequate ships and aircraft to support their operations in our maritime zone.
Not true,the Ukrainian received training from multiple countries over the last 10 years
You're forgetting about all of the training, the Ukrainian military received from NATO before the war, the majority of which was provided by the USA. Without this support, Ukraine Would have been in a far worse position certainly, at the beginning of the conflict.
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