M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [under construction; 2028 completion]

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/275859

Tender out for technical advisory services for TII Phases 5-7 of this project

Est value €10m.

Baldilocks

Can please provide descriptions for the phase numbers? (ie; what is phase 5, phase 6, etc).

Secondly, the duration is 108months - 9 years!!??

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120378765#Comment_120378765

The phases are as follows:

Phase 1 Concept and Feasibility
Phase 2 Options Selection
Phase 3 Design and Environmental Evaluation
Phase 4 Statutory Processes, which includes An Bord Pleanála Oral Hearing
Phase 5 Enabling and Procurement
Phase 6 Construction and Implementation
Phase 7 Close out and Review

I'm unclear where your figures (108months - 9years) originate or what your question is.

Baldilocks

Thanks for the description

In the link, the contract duration is listed as 108months.

Does that mean this project is 9 years from completion? (If so, that's appalling!)

KrisW1001

Not necessarily. It only means that if the job gets put out by a year or two for whatever reason, they don’t want to get a situation where the contract ends up expiring in the middle of works.

Also, if there’s an operation or maintenance clause in the contract, the 9 years would include that period - the road could be open much earlier, but it wouldn’t be the government’s job to maintain it until nine years had passed from award of contract.

Baldilocks

Parts of the Bloomfield Interchange are badly in need of being Re-surfaced, who is the responsible party? (TII?)

hans aus dtschl

TII road yep they'd work with Co Co on things like resurfacing. Worthwhile to contact your councillor.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120550217#Comment_120550217

There’s an allocation for €810k for resurfacing of the N28 at “Carrs Hill” this year. Not sure if that’s been started yet someone in the area may confirm. It’s also not clear how far north that will go

I strongly suspect that given funding constraints there may be an attempt to avoid resurfacing parts of this route given the M28 works will be commencing soon

blindsider

I agree with Marno in #1450. WE can probably expect a fair bit of heavy construction traffic on that route from now on, so re-surfacing it probably doesn't make sense - but it def. does need it!

DylanQuestion

The eastbound lane when you just enter Bloomfield is full of deep potholes. Surely it can't be too expensive to resurface 20-30m

I haven't seen workers in Broadale or on Maryborough Hill in a while, other than the small work on the bridge. Anyone know why it has stopped all of a sudden, or is it all go in Mount Oval?

Given that these are only advance works, it would be unlikely for work to continue hell for leather long term.

We won't see major works until the main contract is awarded which remains at least 15-18 months away.

prunudo

Are the reasons for such long lead times due to legal or monetary reasons? After all the planning and objection delays, it seems projects drag on needlessly these days.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120557141#Comment_120557141

The funding to commence the project has not been provided.

The entire budget for new national roads next year is expected to be €145m. That level of pathetic funding is holding up projects left right and centre.

Should this project be fully funded it could commence in late 2024. It’s a pity because it’s not some pork barrel project, its holding up so much in so many places.

Funding is undoubtedly an issue, as it always is, and there is a constant feeling that Ryan’s department are using funding delay tactics to put a break on road projects when all other means of stopping them have failed. But I don’t think it is the key issue here. First off this project is to be funded under TEN-T which I believe means the EU will pay 25%-50% and secondly the cost of the road (given that it is only 12.5km in total) is relatively small in the overall capital budget context. It’s also worth mentioning that the M/N28 project was allocated €19m in 2023 to allow advanced works and other project work (including the tendering process) to proceed.

The project is currently at TII Phase 5 (Enabling and Procurement). This involves the preparation, publication and assessment of tenders as well as advance works (land acquisition, site clearance, fencing, utility diversions and archeology), general governance (cost, value, risk assessment etc), selection and appointment of Technical Advisory Services for the remaining phases and ultimately the preparation and presentation of the Final Business Case. It was always anticipated that this phase would be longer than usual for this project and I remember a period of 3-4 years being mentioned - with a lot of it caused by the scale of CPOs required, together with the complexity of the service diversions at the Northern end and the extent of the archeological work required.

We aren’t seeing any ongoing updates which is a pity. Reading between the lines it looks like it will go to tender sometime in the next 12 months, with the contract award and final approval to proceed (including funding) by the end of 2025 and construction starting in 2026.

One word of caution. While Sean Callery, Senior Engineer with the Cork National Roads Office said last October that the M28 motorway is scheduled to be completed by 2030, and TEN-T also expects completion of the Core TEN-T (of which the M28 is part) by 2030, TII have stated on a couple of occasions that completion of the M28 is expected “post 2030”.

And in case it it looks like I am trying to justify the timeline, I’m not. Prunudo’s point about projects dragging on needlessly is very well made. Under TII and the DPER the whole process has become bizarrely complicated and there is almost no chance of a major road/infrastructure project being completed in less than 10 years excluding any legal delays. If the M28 is completed by 2030, it will be 18 years since the project started (and you could argue considerably longer).

legend99

There are builders in Mount Oval, and have been for weeks and weeks, and they are continuing to work on what must be a pretty expensive wall! Various sections had their heights spray painted on at one point, and some sections were tagged ad 6 meters....

spacetweek

"We aren’t seeing any ongoing updates which is a pity. Reading between the lines it looks like it will go to tender sometime in the next 12 months, with the contract award and final approval to proceed (including funding) by the end of 2025 and construction starting in 2026. "

If any of this is accurate, it is a disgraceful timeline slippage. It was supposed to start next year for the last few years.

Mushy

Wife works for company who are bidding for this, their deadline is end of May for submission

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120560835#Comment_120560835

The intended commencement has been 2026 for at least two years, if not longer. Funding has been limited until 2026 (and not due to lack of money, just spend profiling) but due to increase from then on. Given the huge exchequer surpluses being posted, commencement really should be brought forward.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120561553#Comment_120561553

Just to clarify for others, that is the tender for consultants to oversee the procurement and construction phases, not for construction itself.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120561739#Comment_120561739

Doubt the greens could stomach the idea of speeding up the start date of construction of an almost shovel ready road project.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120561758#Comment_120561758

I doubt the Greens would be bothered, the project will happen regardless and the port relocation it facilitates will have many extra benefits. The problem is more with Dept. Fin/DPER.

DTTAS funding for 2020-2025, published before the last election, had this scheme receiving 178m between 2020 and 2025. Obviously the judicial review put that back by 1 year, which would still have resulted in the scheme starting in mid 2024*

The first I heard of any substantial delay to this was when TII CEO Peter Walsh appeared before the Oireachtas Transport Committee in January 2021 where he said there was no money to start any additional projects until after 2026 other than the N5/Moycullen/Listowel which had been committed to.

(Funding was 2020 - 4m, 2021 - 12m, 2022 - 12m, 2023 - 50m, 2024 - 50m, 2025 - 50m, apologies my keyboard has no functioning euro symbol).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120560835#Comment_120560835

Hopefully all of it is accurate, I believe that it is. If you are aware of anything to the contrary I’d like to hear about it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120561553#Comment_120561553

That is the following contract/tender for Technical Advisory Services for Phases 5,6 and 7. I referred to this in my previous post. The fact that these consultants are needed for the current phase is itself an eye opener. (I would have expected them to be on board well before the main tender invitation is issued)

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/230740/0/0?returnUrl=transactions.asp&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120561758#Comment_120561758

It’s a road. On past performance Ryan will do anything possible to slow it down. And unfortunately the project is far from shovel ready. Even if funding in full were approved today it is unlikely that construction could commence before 2025.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120561743#Comment_120561743

Indeed. If only he wasn't so blinkered he might realise:

The M28 will allow far better bus access to Carrigaline, Ringaskiddy and Cork Harbour
It'll greatly improve options for active travel, even if it just means the old N28 won't be as busy (cycling access to Ringaskiddy is pathetic at present because of Carrs Hill).
The M28 will enable more port functions to move out of the city, opening up land for thousands of homes in new, sustainable precincts in the city
It'll remove trucks and heavy traffic from urban areas
It'll reduce traffic idling on Carrs Hill (emissions from going nowhere)

Such a pity they can't see the forest from the trees.

Mushy

Oh Jesus, I just assumed they were coming up to the construction stage. Wife wouldn't be acting as a consultant, is only told what to put into a tender document, hence why I thought were at that stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ5MJTjVlOk

DroneHawk's latest M28 video

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120564098#Comment_120564098

"It’s a road. On past performance Ryan will do anything possible to slow it down. And unfortunately the project is far from shovel ready. Even if funding in full were approved today it is unlikely that construction could commence before 2025."

I'm no road engineer but looking at that footage, I don't see how, if there was a will and funding was available, construction couldn't start within the next year. We're too bloody slow at infrastructure in this country and only getting worse.