Strong start to the year by Hyundai, overall car sales are up 9.39% on last year with a 36.5% increase in EV Sales. BEVs were 13.46% of sales for Jan.
‘in your lovely Nissan’
Can you just imagine how much you compound the stigma of the Tesla brand when you talk like this in public?
190 m3 Irish deliveries in 7 months should be enough to tell you that this stuff matters to people. They all had a choice to make - and choose something else.
that smirk that says ‘you’ve made the wrong choice’ - but those buyers just didn’t want to be associated with such smugness
The motor tax rates should increase substantially for new petrol and diesel cars. It would be better if people waited a while longer for ev, rather than trading in a dirty petrol or diesel, for another dirty petrol or diesel...
Wpuld there be far more ev than petrol diesel car supply, if there were increased sale tax on these cars ? Waiting until 2030 to ban these cars is a joke. It should be starting years before then and manufacturers should be told fifty percent of their sales nees to be ev , two years from now etc...
It's 4 years old also and you'd be doing well to fix a clicking door hinge by an OTA pal 😂 Hope the servicing, timing belts, oil changes, petrol costs, tax aren't too much hassle for you in your lovely Nissan 😜
In fairness a 4 year old Qasqai is based on technology that’s being used for over 100 years.
and is improved by mechanical design. An EV is relatively new technology and is software based as opposed to mechanical.
Of course not, how would a new windscreen, puncture repair, crash repair be fixed OTA 🙃
Can everything not be fixed by OTA updates? And why would a newish car ever need to be fixed? My 4 year old Qashqai has never had any issue let alone have to wait days for some punter to come fix and it
VW Dealers giving decent trade in values against ID.4’s and plenty grant qualifying stock available definitely helping.
it’s the “2023 Irish EV sales” thread. Sheesh.
I’m only concerned about the Irish market. Everywhere else on the planet is of no concern. I’m also unconcerned about Tesla, they’ll do fine.
Tesla’s Irish sales numbers are simply a matter of fact.
talking about Teslas worldwide prospects is better done on the Tesla Talk thread
You will loose money going back to Tesla but I think that's a given with the buy online model. Tesla don't want second hand cars sitting in the lot. They need to move them on to another dealer. I wonder if you traded a Tesla in against an ID4 would VW offer you more money for the Tesla than Tesla themselves?
Trade in values are poor at the moment as dealers are relying heavily on second hand car sales. There's a huge market for one and two year old cars at the moment and dealers want healthy margins on those cars to match struggling new car sales on some models from delayed supply. For that reason I think car trade in values have plateaued and will be consistently bad no matter where you go.
I had to laugh and walk out of Audi after they valued my three year old A1 last year. I wanted a new Audi at the time too.
The sales of the Y are dwarfing most cars this year, best selling car in Europe in Q1 and best selling BEV by a country mile, nearly 4 times as many as the 3rd best seller. Oh and guess what was #2? That's right the Model 3. Think your prophecy of doom may be exaggerated.
Model 3 has not sold in huge numbers but pretty sure it's been in the top two selling saloons in Ireland for last few years, outselling all BMW, Audi, Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, Mercedes,Mazda saloons. Only the Octavia has sold better, and possibly the Corolla as not sure on the breakdown of saloons vs hatchbacks in their numbers.
I just got something done in the mid West and he was saying he usually does the south East so I guess they cover the whole country at this stage. Also, just to add, writing a message on an app about a problem and having someone come to my door a few days later to fix it for no charge is quite a service!
VW have a lot of loyal customers and to be honest when I bought my ID4, I didn't look at anything else. I do love it though and I still think it's a nicer car than the Enyaq.
Also, the ID4 looks like an EV and I think this appeals to a lot of people, particularly families who want something a bit interesting but not too flashy or in your face. The VW badge is safe, it's classless and it just works for a lot of people. You can spec a bog standard one and drive around offending no-one but also add some big alloys and privacy glass and cruise around in something that looks quite expensive on the road. I think that's always been the appeal of VW's. They make a car for everyone.
Knowing what I know now about EV's, i'm not sure if I would buy an ID4 again. I did move away from VAG entirely when buying a second EV for our family and I think the whole car landscape is changing now with Hyundai and Kia moving into VW's space. VW appear to be hanging onto their market share but I do think Audi will suffer in the long run as customers see more value in other brands who are offering more premium EVs at a better price.
They honour the new price. Similarly if the price is increasing they honour the lower price. Very few other companies do this.
Tesla's mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy through increasingly affordable electric vehicles in addition to renewable energy generation and storage.
I suppose making a good profit for the Shareholders would help as well....😉
I do feel that the inventory thing is a concern for Tesla but I also don't think it spells their imminent doom
I think I said it in another thread that I suspect the main driver of the high inventory is cost of living increases. People might have put a reservation down a few months ago and then dropped it as inflation and interest rates bit
Also if Tesla are dropping prices and you had a reservation, wouldn't there be a grain of sense in cancelling and then picking one up later from inventory at a cheaper price?
It’s definitely to their detriment when Tesla’s stated aim in their financial reporting is to prioritise volume over margins - they need to churn out the cars, and sell them at whatever prices gets them sold.
as tesla is not a manufacturer who sells into dealer networks and their vast holding yards, (which effectively works to hide excess inventory), they need to sell the cars they’re producing pretty quickly and the excess inventory is becoming very apparent, with analysts tracking it daily.
Not required to maintain the warranty. There are recommended.
From the manual:
Battery health check is remote from the app.
Not that I know of.
Should have added I have got the battery health check annually and Nissan dealer helpfully hands me a sheet of paper each time informing me the battery is healthy even though Leafspy is telling me its at 70.19% SOH and has weak cells🙄
So there is no requirement to 'service' the battery? Nissan requires the Leaf to have a battery health check carried out by dealer as part of the basic service.
See I'd actually call that a point against Tesla, or at least against their marketing strategy (i.e. Musk's Twitter feed)
As a pleb, I didn't know about the rangers, or the lack of a requirement for dealership services to maintain warranty. If Tesla made that more obvious then I think it would swing more people over
I also think a lot of potential buyers don't want to deal with independent garages or doing stuff themselves. I know changing a pollen filter is pretty easy, but a lot of people don't want the hassle
Tesla are pretty good at flexing the manufacturing lines between both models so I'm not sure that the Model Y taking sales from the Model 3 is to their overall detriment
It's a bit like saying people will buy a Kuga instead of a Mondeo
M3 and MY are 2 different cars made for 2 different types of people in my mind
The Y is the 3’s biggest competitor for sure, which is a terrible situation for a car manufacturer with just 2 models. It’s more like 1.5 models. Even in the home US market, the Q1 sales for the 3 were dwarfed by the Y.
I don’t see how the Y deliveries are being prioritised, the cars leave the same plant and get on the same boats - also bear in mind that there have been no 3 deliveries since September, so the reality is just 190 deliveries in 7 months (there were 450 in September).
it’s literally a hair above nothing at all.
there’s a lot of Tesla inventory too, and rising. They’re making more cars than they can sell for the first time, which is what’s driving the price cuts. Volume over margins.
Are Tesla prioritizing the Y over the 3 or are they just delivering whats ordered. Browsing the Tesla site there appears to be a significant amount of new car inventory "coming soon" for both the 3 and the Y. All be it twice as much Y as 3 inventory. There doesnt look to be a shortage of either.
I think a problem that Tesla has created for itself is that many people who might have previously considered buying the Model 3 are now buying the Model Y. Tesla also seem to be prioritising delivery of the Model Y, to Ireland at least.
Here are the Model Y stats for the same period:
Afaik routine servicing can be done by Ranger, but there is no schedule for servicing a Tesla. Most of the routine stuff such as tyres etc can naturally be done anywhere. Other stuff such as cabin filters can be done ones self.
What routine servicing? The airfilter and brake fluid? Any Indy can do those.
What about routine servicing?
Thought they operated throughout whole country, but I could be mistaken. In my area I think it's a Thursday..
They can do a lot more than I originally thought. Obviously something major, or bodywork repairs are not covered by Ranger. I have had the Ranger twice, once when new to fix a rear bumper misalignment and once to fit a new centre console. (Original sliding cover was sticking open and difficult to close).
