In Dublin this will affect civil and public servants the most, which is why it hasn't been implemented. It's a great idea though......
Have we created a generation of sugar-cubes that melt when exposed to rain? They have things called warm coats now and raingear.
There's lots of people in jobs that need considerable flexibility that manage on public transport. These are just excuses now.
There is no significant public transport to industrial estates.
Citywest and Parkwest are OK, but all the others I've ever visited are dreadful. Anyone who advocates not driving to the others has clearly never attempted to make such trips on a regular basis.
That's a bit of a sweeping statement. We have the Luas green line along with bus services going through Sandyford Business District, for example.
I also see a few private buses going around Dublin, marked for particular businesses or industrial estates.
There certainly are issues with some industrial estates, which the authorities AND the employers need to fix.
The same facilities are available to all employees. I wouldn't expect others to be paid extra because they choose / it is more convenient for them not to use the available facilities.
If I choose to bring in my own lunch I wouldn't expect to be paid extra for not using on site catering facilities.
I don't use the bike to work scheme or commuter tax saver scheme. Should I be compensated for not using them?
Who is advocating not driving to industrial estates that are far from the city center?
Traffic is far worse in winter. It's my least favorite time to drive. Driving in the city is horrible these days.
A real lack of mention of scooters and motorcycles in this thread. If you are dreading city traffic in your car is there a reason you never considered a scooter? Keep your car at home, nobody said you cannot own both.
Employers can find somewhere to store a few bikes much easier than cars. Employee may avoid the tax and beat the traffic as you zip around, beep beep.
But but winter, there is gear to wear for that. Need fresh clothes in the office then bring it all in on Monday. I did it for years and years in Dublin, traffic no bother and cheap as chips to run. And fun 😊
Statistically yes.
Can't find any stats on Bristol from a decade ago. Seems a lot of changes in the last 3 yrs. Car free and Clean Air Zone.
It's a global shift.
The private car is reliable. very reliable … If you leave in good time with some extra time padded in, in case of a crash or roadworks.. you be grand. Just use common sense…. Bus priority is negated by the fact that it needs to stop multiple times. Bike , just no.
cycling doesn’t reduce any of the above medical scenarios … exercise does… which you can do at home, the gym, swimming pool, football club….or other equivalent sporting / fitness endeavours……
Cycling IS exercise. So of course it does.
Driving depends entirely on your route and time of travel My drive to and from work varies enormously from about 25 to 90 mins. It's the least consistent for me.
Buses have bus lanes. It's not bus stops that slow them down. It's car traffic.
A lot of the problems can be solved by moving the target of the tax from employees to employers
If it's a thousand a year for a car parking spot, and the employee pays that tax.... nothing will change
If it's a thousand a year per parking spot, and the employer pays... suddenly, that's a hundred thousand a year additional cost to the employer per 100 employees.
Suddenly, it makes sense for employers to ditch the car park and introduce alternatives or lobby for public transport.
Taxing employees for the costs of getting to work is a terrible idea. Taxing employers for the costs of getting labour to their workplace? that will work
That doesn’t matter happens all over the place already, take a look at the estates around clonskeagh packed with cars every day, rathfarnha,, Churchtown etc loads of free parking that’s where people will go and hop on the luas
I've seen a lot of improvements on my journeys.
Can't keep pace with demand, and we're only now implementing things, I first saw decades ago in Europe.
The counter to that is resident parking permits.
@Akrasia "Taxing employees for the costs of getting to work is a terrible idea. Taxing employers for the costs of getting labour to their workplace? that will work"
...it makes offshoring that much more attractive.
or the employees could just work remotely.
Even if there was an underground people will still drive if they are allowed to.
If you are willing to sit in car through the city centre grid lock when there are quicker, and cheaper alternatives. There's no carrot that will get you out of the car. Except punitive measures.
I know loads of people in London who own a car.
Only about half of people have cars in Dublin depending how you define that.
Figures from the European Commission's data analysis wing Eurostat shows Dublin and the eastern part of the country has among the lowest number of cars per people in the bloc, with the other Irish regions not too far behind.
According to the data, Dublin and the east have fewer than 450 cars per 1,000 people....
What is?
Decentralisation was hijacked (and doomed) by parish pump politics and other vested interests.
According to the data, Dublin and the east have fewer than 450 cars per 1,000 people, while Munster, Connacht, and the North-West have between 450 and 500.
Regardless saying its impossible in Dublin is obviously untrue.
Why buses only.
I'm multi modal.
I'll use whatever suits the journey. I'll park and ride via train. Use a mix of bike and train. Even car and bike. Sometimes car only. Sometimes walk.
I'm not locked into one mode like underground or car for example. People are too linear in how they think.
Was back in Bristol earlier in the year and when walking up Park Street I noticed several commercial units were derelict. In terms of private-sector activity the place has been killed. Lived there for 12 years but would not want to go back to what it has now become.
Very, very reliable, except when it’s not. Check the M50 twitter account to see how often traffic gets restricted there, generally because dangerous drivers don’t concentrate on their driving.
Eminent medical researchers disagree with you about the health benefits of cycling. For most people, it’s the only exercise you can do during your commute time.
So we've had lockdown, remote working, Brexit, recession, energy price war, war in Ukraine, general decline in city and town centers, with online business'es killing the high street.
But yeah ignore all of that and decide it's all on a few cycle lanes because somewhere isn't the same as it was decade ago.
Makes sense.
Dutch cities were planned exactly the same as Dublin is today. They just decided to do something about it, we haven't. Dublins no different to anywhere else in that regard.
Car use is falling. People don't want to see it.
well, the residents of sandymount (a different set) are clamouring for the current road restrictions to be retained, and mentioned the safety of cyclists as being one benefit.
Problem with Sandymount is the sheer volume of traffic. Some has evaporated but some has been pushed to other streets. You'd have to have some studies and stats to know the be truth of it all.
Traffic around there always seemed bad before all this. The whole city is bad these days.
I'm fed up with the greens and the tree huggers. Provide decent public transport first, that is the first step. After that is done by all means tax private car use.
yeah, a pity the greens have done nothing to try to improve public transport.
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