Sure, its not ideal and could be a portend of more problems. It is most certainly not going to end notions of a counter offensive though, that's just silly.
Though equally I wouldn't rule out sheer dumb luck on the Russian's part as they don't have much of a track record of accurate targeting.
I have to disagree. Its exactly the same as the blitz. It reinforces the general population against the aggressor. It reminds them of the he cost of losing.
It also shows the poor quality of the Russian military. It's highlights there inability to strike at small targets. Generally it shows that there targeting is a blunt instrument and has not pinpoint accuracy.
Russia has shown an inability to hit with pinpoint accuracy military targets. A chemical plant producing explosives will have these stored in various stores in the plant. It will also have different chemicals in different stores that are required to to make different explosive types.
There is nothing we have yet seen that indicates that Russia has the ability to accurately pinpoint targets. They would know the exact location and positioning of an explosive plant compared to ammunition dumps. It highly unlikely that the UA is using old arms dumps that Russia know the location of. An explosive production facility is not easily moved
What is amazing is it took them so long to take it out. You would have imagined that a facility like that would have been hit early in the conflict. There is no record that such plants have been consistently hit over the last 12 months.
It much easier to take out electrical infrastructure they structurally larger and hitting the infrastructure anywhere will reduce it ability to produce or distribute power.
This war is only going one way and the offensivie will show that when it happens.
Also stories of 500 soldiers, 10 armoured vehicles, howitzers etc where on the train.
It's not losing losing one ammunition dump Being significant,but losing a single large ammunition dump before a big counter offensive is to start and a publicised ammunition Shortage, but if Russia has the co-ordinace of other dumps this could cause panic, Which the Ukrainans would need to start moving ammunition to prevent this happening again
Still not good if true, but storing unstable munitions at a military explosives and propelants plant doesn't seem like the best of ideas, other than isolation and security would already pertain to the site.
No .
If Russia bombs and missles keep coming it's the people who will start asking questions, comparison to the blitz doesn't come close ,
I think some people are underestimating the sheer quantity of ammunition that would be used in a counter-offensive and overestimating the importance of losing one ammo dump.
Reportedly it was a chemical plant where old ICBM rockets were to be decommissioned and hundreds of tons of rocket fuel were stored. Possibly ammunition was stored there also, at this stage I've seen countless strikes on ammo dumps.
Ukraine likely has hundreds of ammo dumps, if not thousands, why would you assume a strike on one ends a counter offensive?
Seemingly it was a train carrying ammo etc.
I find it hard to believe that the Ukrainian military would be inclined to replicate the Russian's habit of stockpiling ammo and equipment in large concentrations. That led to several of their dumps being blown up last autumn. Something blew and there was a big fire, but what?
Can you post a link to the footage you mention as I'm only seeing reports of Ukraine air defenses taking down the majority of the missiles launched by the moskovytes and a picture of another civilian apartment block after being largely demolished?
Why would Ukraine store a large portion of their counteroffensive weapons in one place?
Come off it, have you seen the footage of that explosion? That was an arms dump - not a "chemical plant that produces explosives". The weapons were lighting the sky for 3 hours.
Do you believe a "chemical plant that produces explosives" would not have been levelled literally at the start of the war??
There is a serious point to be made about corruption in Ukraine. A non-condusive environment to keeping secrets to say the least.
Why would they put ammo in a chemical plant that produce explosives?
The longer they drag their heals with this offensive the more exposed their stockpiles becomes to attack. I hope they've not missed their chance pandering to outside political pressure.
I appreciate its a fine line though, keeping your friends supplying you happy while also doing what you feel is right for your country.
It seems Russia got exactly what they wanted - a massive arms depot which judging by the footage - possibly ends notions of a counter offensive. The Ukranians will dress it up as something else but the video and pictures speak for themselves. It was a massive arms dump. A very serious development. What could be even more serious for the Ukranians is how much US gear we're talking?
Ukraine has to prove it can do what it takes to hold US support- if they've lost a massive payload that won't go down well.
A referendum???????? . Are you out of your mind ? OK then .I will go along with your idea re the referendum on the condition that Putin repatriates all the UKr he forcefully removed , directly or indirectly from UKr occupied territory, that the Tarters are allowed to return from past ‘genocides’ of them and that some ‘ discount is calculated for the UKr killed since 1991.
what do you think Putin is at in ‘shifting/rearranging’ the population around the place , in his scorched earth policy where villages, towns, cities are raised to the ground, etc, etc and repopulating same with people from Moscovy and especially those from the East - being promised a BETTER life!!!!!
Was expecting terrible news this morning. Pleasantly surprised.
Are you the same Kermit that posts mainly in the fantasy Island section on the weather board?
What's the point of a referendum when Russia has displaced the indigenous population with planters?
Try to disappoint me all you like. I deal in reality, not make believe. Doesn't matter how I or anyone else feels about it.
Love to disappoint you.
About time,and hopefully be there soon,they should have had those 8 months ago
Got a giggle out of this.
What?
No it dosen't, if anything it increases peoples hatred towards the perpetrators, hardens resistance, and can even get people to rally around a previously disliked or unpopular government.
There often seems to be a racist/xenaphobic attitude towards mass civilian attacks ie: If it happens to us "we will never surrender" (Blitz Sprit), but they are weak and can't take it.
The Russians only do semi correctly at best and it won’t slow the counteroffensive at all. I reckon that Ukraine are taking their time and it has the Russians rattled.
Looks like it worked wonders in Kiev overnight
It didn't work on the British in ww2, the Japanese or Germany with bombing from the air and they were bombing in the thousands on some air raids. The Russians should be trying to hit ammo dumps or troop build ups. They should be disrupting the Ukrainian military but they are wasting their resources on civilian targets which they should never be going after. But if tonight is a massive air stikes etc. this is done even semi correctly against the Ukrainian counter offensive will be a major headache for the Ukrainians. This is what possibly might stop the counter offensive.
Really, did it happen in Vietnam, did the Irish quit after years and years of being pounded, no and it won’t happen in Ukraine.
All they have to do is keep up the attacks and show the government can't protect them, who do you think the population will vent their frustration on,it won't be Moscow its who's in front of them ,the Ukrainan government ,
It's happened time and time again across the world,
Oh I understand that, but even Russia has to see it's ineffective in Ukraine. I doubt you could break Ukranians even under full occupation.
As horrible it is to say, Russia are probably playing into Ukraine's hand. Waste their missiles on Kyiv while the actual Ukrainian army group up and ready for an offensive.
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