If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
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Yes ships like aircraft very much. They've been seeing each other for quite a while now, ships should really put a ring aircraft's finger.
This is like an episode of Twin Peaks
He said "ships like aircraft"
Read his post. He said aircraft. You're still banging on about "sneaking a naval force".
Only if people are actually looking for them,and even then it's still very much difficult to find a needle in a vast ocean,
All those boats on your app turn off their transponders and you have a blank screen,
Maybe find a hobby
If you say so.
I still stand by everything I can remember saying in the thread. My facts over your feels will always win.
Aviation and satellites will still spot you. As will sonar sensors. And communications signals will be detected.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-31.2/centery:35.8/zoom:4
Granted every one of these dots in the above is super micro tiny relative to the size to the map, but still each one cuts down the odds, all moving at different speeds with no predictable path, good luck picking out a path through.
Theres virtually no hiding a bunch of ships on a long voyage these days.
US has something like 230 military satellite. EU countries about 30 iirc.
Then theres all the hundreds of commercial ones. And the closer you get to shore the more intense it gets.
Every one of your posts has been utterly sandblasted in this thread. From your ignorance of the Budapest memorandum, your ignorance of the EU legal position of mutual aid, the Irish constituion on several matters, the fact that you think there's a credible European security architecture with Turkey outside the door, that you think neutral European states have never experienced Islamic terror attacks - and that's just the ones I'm remembering. You're like Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes.
You've declared yourself some sort of champ - but it rather looks like this...
No it's not,
How big is the Atlantic alone, ships like aircraft can turn off their transponders which makes tracking all but impossible
Argentina was hardly surprised.
Whats wrong with clearing up a misconception some may have.
All I said was its virtually impossible to move some sort of maritime invasion force around these days without being noticed.
Everything I've posted in this thread is true.
You're just salty because I'm right, and you don't like it.
Probably true but even so what could our defence forces do to stop them even with some warning. Even then the attitude from many would be 'it won't happen' 'they're going to X instead' 'the Americans wouldn't let it happen' etc.
The Falklands
99% of what you've posted in this thread is either outright false, or displays a level of ignorance about international security and zero understanding around the constitutional and legislative matters both at domestic and EU level. All of it with a whiff of an odd dissident republican sympathising predisposition. And generously sprinkled with a reflixive anti-Americanism that was licked off the floor of an undergrad Marxist reading group meeting.
For the third time zero people in this thread have made any claim about "sneaking a naval force" anywhere. Not off the coast of Borneo, Madagascar or Ireland. You're talking to yourself, and you're telling yourself you're right. Talk into a dictaphone the next time you want to tapdance on this matter.
Yes, it is just me banging on about it.
And everything I'm saying is correct.
So ... whats the problem?
1941
I'll repeat, the only person banging on about "sneaking a naval force" anywhere is you. No one put forward such a proposition, so I'm not sure who you're talking to when you're posting about that.
But anyway, perhaps put pen to paper to the Department of Defence and they'll give Operation Captain Birdseye their full attention.
Pearl harbor........
Ok so you don't actually disagree with me.
The point stands, we would know well in advance of any major surface marine threat coming our way from Russia.
Its virtually impossible to move groups of ships around these days without being seen.
There's no real urgency in that regard.
Have you got a crystal ball predicting the next 20, 30, 50 years and what the security situation has in store for Europe? Let us know when you get your hands on one, I have a few buyers that might be interested.
This has totally escaped you, but the only person banging on about "sneaking a naval force" anywhere is you. You're in conversation with yourself on this point, and you apparently think it's a banger of a point.
The comedy value of the whole thing is your addition of Captain Birdseye to our putative security mix.
It's fantasy world stuff in here
So tell me is it possible in these days to sneak a substantial naval force up to a distant island without being seen.
Yes or no.
Again, who is going to launch this maritime invasion?
The hybrid warfare threat is at least realistic
And the only solution is Nato? Joining such an alliance on that basis would be beyond foolish.
Your record on the thread has been an oscillation between concocted history, a complete ignorance of Irish legislative and constitutional reality, Kremlinite fake news and dissident republican denial-of-reality. You're security doctrine of Donegal fishermen and nerds in basements is icing on the cake.
If you feel good after all that, well, I'll just say that Prince Andrew apparently felt pretty good after his infamous ITV interview as well.
You really hate that I'm right.
Feels good.
Nerds and fishing boats. Genius.
Lads Don't worry I've an idea let's scrap the defense forces and the fishermen will protect us ,
Don't know wether to laugh or cry
Well no, Im saying its next to impossible to sneak a substantial force up to a distant island these days. You're going to be seen, by any number of means. Trade vessels, satellites, commerical and govt entities, and the general public.
If you disagree go ahead, tell me how. (is it submarines?)
yeah, it can be a bit of a schizophrenic country really.
For what its worth I think we should invest heavily in our navy but I'm pretty ambivalent about the need for jets for the air corps.
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