wtf is going on? Bizzarre
Voted to sell the land v expressed themselves in favour of selling the land - this is what you're going on about!!
Wasn't aware of the roots of that phrase, every day is a school day.
From the UK but from Google plenty of use of that phrase in the Dáil.
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/nodding-through-on-the-nod/
Decisions made 'on the nod' are decisions made with no debate or division (vote). The Chair simply reads out the question to be decided and takes an oral vote. If there are no objections, the question is recorded as having been agreed to.
Leaving aside the issue of the quality of the journalism my post was focusing on the type of individual he is.
In general I prefer less volatility and more consistency in journalism, business and politics.
Odd..
Pretty obvious he’s an anointed one for the future of FF, so they’ll just close ranks on him. whilst there are no laws broken, this is again another example of poor judgement, exactly what no one wants nor needs from an elected TD.
That's a pity.
Looks like it's all over so. Collins is going nowhere
The Tánaiste with a very Trumpian response in the Dáil earlier.
Doesn't seem too fond of journalism.
The plot thickens.. Limerick County Council officials could end up in deep trouble if they're found to be doctoring documents.
I don't think that's the implication the ditch want you to assume, they're all but screaming that the applicant committed the f word when submitting the application with the letter they got from the council.
The signed original should be on file somewhere right? Rather than this badly scanned version. The version 1 is just a word doc or PDF before being printed on headed paper. Are the council confirming that's the only version that was printed and sent out?
This drip feeding of information is pretty annoying, other media will have to scramble to verify before publishing themselves, it's designed to make it look like they're ignoring each reveal.
Except the people who re-elect the likes of Michael Lowry with several quotas, again and again and again, despite a litany of poor judgement in his past, eh?
No you have to use the meaning that makes sense in the context it is included in. That context is the phrase “pecuniary or other beneficial interest”. Ergo a pecuniary interest is a beneficial interest, which leads you back to section 176 of the Act. The “plain English” meaning you seek to ascribe cannot overcome the rules of English grammar. Yet I have to ask myself why I bother explaining the same simple fact to you, when each time you just ignore it.
But the character of the journalist is irrelevant once the content leaked has been verified as fact.
I think its the public representatives character that should be questioned. Its quite shameful behaviour from Collins and its nothing new from Fine Fail or Fine Gael.
Let's make the leap and assume your interpretation is correct, Collins interest in the land is a beneficial interest:
176.—(1) In respect of a resolution, motion, question or other matter which is proposed, or otherwise arises from or as regards the performance by the local authority of any of its functions under this or any other enactment, “beneficial interest” for the purposes of this Part, in relation to a person, includes an interest in respect of which—
(c) he or she or a connected person is a party to any arrangement or agreement (whether or not enforceable) concerning land which relates to any such matter,
(3) A person shall not be regarded as having a beneficial interest which has to be disclosed under this Part where section 167 (3) is applicable or because of—
(a) an interest which is so remote or insignificant that it cannot be reasonably regarded as likely to influence a person in considering or discussing, or in voting on, any question with respect to the matter or in performing any function in relation to that matter,
The 'arrangement' is the Collin's and his wife's plan to buy the land at Patrickswell. The last paragraph is important as it sets the lower boundary above which a beneficial interest can be implied. It cannot be reasonably concluded that Collin's was not influenced during the discussion about the sale of the land in Patrickswell by the fact that his wife wanted to buy it!
An intention to buy land on the open market isn’t an “arrangement” as an “arrangement” requires at least two parties.
You complain about others not being able to read! You seemed to have missed:
'The 'arrangement' is the Collin's and his wife's plan to buy the land at Patrickswell.'
You claimed he voted to sell the land. He didnt. The vote to sell the land took place in 2008 when he was no longer a council member.
If the proposal was contested it would have gone to a vote. Because it was uncontested a vote wasn't necessary. The proposal being, drumroll..... to sell the land at Patrickswell.
You really are missing the big picture here.
Proposal to move forward to the next process of selling the land. You claimed he voted to sell the land. He didnt. He agreed on the day to a motion to move forward with the proposal to sell.
Are you now saying Niall Collins was involved in purchasing the land?
I'm stating what the minutes state. At this point I'll just stop replying to your posts as you seem set on going off on a tangent
No. You have mentioned twice about Niall Collins being involved in purchasing the land.
That isn’t an arrangement - that is an intention. Subsection (1)(c) deals with a situation where you have contracted to acquire or sell land, but the deal has not closed (i.e. equitable interest has passed, but legal title rests with the vendor).
Besides, his wife was buying the land - not him. Nobody has suggested otherwise.
That's entirely Fine Gael's fault. Lowry still votes for them and supports their candidates. They do deals with him. They should have ostracized him completely. They raise his profile and refuse to rule out deals with him at every election. He is still FG to all intents and purposes. New Politics in action.
I don't know why I bother, but you continuously misread legislation.
The last paragraph only exists to exempt scenarios that would otherwise potentially be deemed to fall under the first. It is there to exempt scenarios such as someone holding a few shares in AIB not be able to vote on banking legislation. This paragraph is incredibly unimportant and in fact completely irrelevant in the context of this discussion.
Your false obsession that he has a beneficial interest fails far before then. There was no arrangement - a vague expression of interest does not constitute an arrangement. There was nothing whatsoever in place that she could have been a party to. A plan to buy land is not an arrangement or agreement. This is a simple fact.
Its partly their fault, but his consistent overwhelming re-elections are the "fault" of his constituents.
I didn't think it's anything to do with FG, he has godlike stature in the Thurles area. It's the constituents who reelect him and unfortunately I suspect they will keep doing that
The same will apply to Collins. It's really quite irrelevant if people other than his constituents believe he is "corrupt" .
If his constituents are happy with him, he'll continue to get elected.
.. and the solution to this imbroglio is ....??
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's irrelevant.
While sites like Ditch have a role I like to know who is behind them and why.
I do my due diligence on all sources proferring news.
If he is seen to deliver for this constituency, they will re-elect him. Tipperary have done well in Lowry deals and nods. FG do raise his profile and he was very quick to shake Enda Kenny's hand in the Dail when he was elected Taoiseach in 2016. Obviously he knows when the cameras are on.
Give him some credit. At least he finally seems to have recognised that a pecuniary interest is a beneficial interest (after the umpteenth time). We'll get there next week perhaps!
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