Following on from here
New Munster chat thread folks. warning deserved there. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=109477571#post109477571
Fineen put in a counter-ruck about 30 seconds later that got us back in possession as well, after a successful turnover. Great performance from him, his best game for us in a long time, imo. Really aggresively, particularly in the first half too.
The winning of the match
No backseat moderation. Move on please.
I'm sorry, were you appointed a moderator here without the rest of us being notified?
Is there a reason why the Munster thread is being used once again to discuss who plays for Ireland?
I literally didn’t say superb.
Sorry, think I got confused with a message I read on another thread.
Ultimately Crowley still only has 10 starts from 10. He’s shown more than enough to continue to be backed.
I don't disagree with this; but it will raise a question coming into the RWC camps and warm up games as to whether or not he's actually shown enough to be trusted as the third 10 in a RWC Squad.
People are going to scoff at this, but I think Harry Byrne has shown more at 10 this year in his good run of starts in 2023 than Crowley has. Crowley's versatility might still get him the nod, but I really don't think he's nailed on as one of our three 10s to go to France.
I dunno on Crowley - absolutely didn't see him as superb in the Stormers game. He was better than he was on Saturday, but superb is a big stretch.
Healy's introduction changed both games significantly.
Against the Stormers at least, Healy’s initial introduction was brilliant, but he started introducing mistakes of his own as the game wore.
To me, for all of Crowley's talent and ability, he still looks like he's lacking composure. That's not unexpected given how young and relatively inexperienced he is, and the only real solution will be to keep backing him and giving him gametime, but Munster's attack to me just feels a bit shapeless and haphazard with him steering the ship.
I can't think of an 80-min performance from him this season where he had a commanding game from 10. Maybe I'm forgetting one, but I'm pretty sure I've seen every game.
I'm not saying he won't get there, but he definitely isn't there yet.
Ben Healy is the form outhalf in the Munster camp right now, and presumably starts the QF?
I’d be extremely surprised if this happened tbh. In fact, I think there’s close to a 0% chance of it happening tbh.
Crowley has been pretty poor for me the last two times out.
Disagree , particularly with regard the Stormers game. He had some mistakes, sure, but had a really good game aside from that.
He’s the first choice 10 on merit now for me. He should be back for however many games we have this season and into next for me.
Was away over the weekend, so didn't get to see either game, and just watched the Munster game back last night.
Really good performance. From what I'd read, I was expected the Sharks to be more dominant in the first half, but on watching didn't actually think that was the case. Munster had some decent chances and possession in the 1H too.
Thought Diarmuid Barron, Jean Kleyn, Alex Kendellen, Conor Murray, Ben Healy, Malakai Fekitoa and Calvin Nash all were excellent. Barron looks to have found his mojo again a bit.
Kendellen for me has been a standout over the past two games - have said it before but I think he's a more traditional openside than Hodnett and brings a real jackal / disruptive threat to Munster. He also plays with a spikiness or aggression that is great to me.
Great to see Conor Murray in such good form coming into RWC season. He was excellent over the trip to SA.
Ben Healy is the form outhalf in the Munster camp right now, and presumably starts the QF? Crowley has been pretty poor for me the last two times out. He's clearly a good rugby player, but still not seeing the signs from him that he's an international calibre outhalf yet.
Dutchy will be involved with the ABs from next season
😂😂
So if POM is only good for sledging and lineout work, that basically means Munster got a win and a draw in South Africa, effectively fielding 14 players in each game.
Kinda badass, when you think about it.
There obviously a reason Farrell picks POM as joe schmidt before him did, considering the back row options ireland have I doubt his wearing green for his sledging ability😀
correct, this was confirmed under clarification by WR a few years ago. The law number has been changed though, its 21.9 now.
• If a player is not carrying the ball then Law 22.4 (g) applies - Player in touch or touch-in-goal. If an attacking player is in touch or in touch-in-goal, the player can score a try by grounding the ball in the opponents’ in-goal provided the player is not carrying the ball.
The designated members confirm that:
1. A try should not be awarded,
2. The player is considered to be carrying the ball as the ball is in the air when it is first played and,
3. Law 22.4 (g) only applies if the ball is on the ground.
Nash's try should not have stood. The ball is in the air when he plays it. If the ball had been on the ground the try is good. A player is considered to be carrying the ball as the ball is in the air when it is first played. Law 22.4 (g) in relation to touch and touch in goal only applies if the ball is on the ground.
He’s always had exceptional handling for a backrow. It just doesn’t fit with his “profile” so most ignore it.
If you’re looking for carry’s from POM, you’re looking for the wrong thing. (And fwiw, I think this is often overstated).
Did you see the Stormers game, for example?
His ruck work there was fantastic, especially attacking breakdown. He’s also significantly improved his handling. And he’s generally an excellent footballer; he regularly puts thru some brilliant kicks for it to be a coinicidence.
That’s all on top of his lineout work and jackal threat.
Ok , everyone entitled to opinions but i genuinely dont see what he brings as a loose forward apart from lineout.
His metre carries are zero and he is less and less performing turnovers.
Yes
Fair enough.
Personally think he’s been absolutely outstanding for the last 2 seasons, and saying his game is based on lineout and sledging isn’t close to the truth, imo.
I think in galweys era he wouldnt get away with his antics because he would have got a quick pk in the mouth.
Players less likely to retaliate these days due to heavier suspensions , lots of cameras and tmo intervention.
His antics and support he receives from fans does not sit easily with me. Just my opinion.
Wait, you think people get away with more now than in Gaillimh’s time??
That's a very narrow interpretation of the law by the South African guy in that clip. I think Adamson had it right.
I remember Dave Kearney getting an almost identical one against the Ospreys a few years ago much to the bemusement of the Welsh.
Edit; it was Barry Daly, at 3.30 here
https://youtu.be/-omqCt6qbyk
Im talking about the crap talk towards opposition. Adamson pulled him twice for the way he spoke to him.
His game is now based on excellent lineout work and extreme sledging , winding up opposition players. Not much criteria for measuring greatness.
I think pom would not have got away with this a generation ago , say in mick galweys time. He uses the protection of referees now to get away with this kak.
If he was doing it week in, week out he’d have more than 7 yellow cards in 174 appearances.
Some people just seem to really dislike POM.
Nope. You can only score like that if the ball is already on the ground when you touch it.
Hard to blame fans for posting this when their capltain is being applauded for doing it week in week out.
Law 8.2 (e) covers it
"Who is in touch or touch-in-goal, grounds the ball in the opponents’ in-goal provided the player is not holding the ball."
Yes, you can touch the ball down even if you are out of play. If he had possession prior to touching down it would have been disallowed.
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