What a remarkable thing for a “diplomat” to say, 30 years after the USSR fell apart. And scary.
Macron is really such a smug, self-centered little t_rd. This has a lot to do with his treacherous stunt a couple of weeks ago.
Ground just needs to harden
some great reads in that link, thank you
The US is more likely to get involved with Taiwan than it was in Ukraine.
It's a moot point either way, China are patient and will wait it out until reunification occurs at some point (likely as politics in China shifts more towards the centre). China also knows that the value of Taiwan is taking it whole not ruined, Taiwan also know this.
The US is on record saying they would defend Tawain with US personnel/boots on the ground.
Completely different to Ukraine in my view. Would be a massive gamble from China.
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China attacking Taiwan would be like Vlad attacking Ukraine.. oh wait
Ukraine had security guarantees from the US just like Taiwan has, but in the absence of actual NATO membership or a legal agreement its hard to see them starting WW3 for Ukraine or Taiwan, which is why we are where we are.
China attacking Taiwan will be sanctioned, and Taiwan armed by the west (unless surrounded by Chinese Navy).
The US will not intervene against another nuclear armed state for Taiwan
Speaking of China, their ambassador to France rather put his foot in it yesterday in suggesting that "former Soviet countries, including the Baltic states, don’t have effective status in international law.” Needless to say, this didn't go down well in said Baltic States.
China attacking Taiwan would be like Vlad attacking a NATO country.
The US have set their stall out so publicly that China know it would be a war with the US if they did. So it's complete fantasy imo.
Who said it was a meme ,
Seems people don't want to live in the real world
@correct horse battery staple I’m starting to thinking your account has been hijacked because you have gone over to dark side lately bending over backwards to play up the corrupt Russian side for some reason,
Nonsense.
I really hope you are right but have being hearing this talk for months now .
when are you going to give us part two of the story. While we are waiting for it please do not forget that the Moscovies that left to avoid being conscripted are flocking back to join the Moscovy army. National moral is gone through the roof, munitions production has quadrupled, the population has agreed to half their salaries in order to fund any financial gap re funding the war, China, N Korea, Iraq, etc, etc are making sure that Moscovy is kept adequately armed, etc, etc.
Not when the panzer fists arrive. The shoddy Russian army will be smashed to smithereens soon
China going for Taiwan would be a massive boost for Putin it still looks likely Putin can keep plugging away to some level and is still a long way off being beaten back and out unfortunately.
Why are we ONLY talking about the possibility of a limited supply of arms from the broad western supply sources and NOT A WORD about the sustainability - or otherwise- of supply from the Moscovy side. ?
Lend lease then
Lol .
He can keep fighting until he runs out of supplies and equipment,
Then what,
Ehhh well ehhh but I read on social media
I have direct experience of a number of Ukr families where the husbands are on the front line/supplying front lines and are happy that their remaining families are safe inIreland and it also relieves them of the worry and responsibility for their safety. They can then concentrate 100% on their tasks and their safety. It makes perfect sense/it’s very logical. I cannot see why anyone would be arguing on here either for or against
"I think this report is very fishy."
Looks that way alright. Reads very much like a comic book action sequence from a cheap sensationalist "news" platform and without Gatling providing anything credible to back up his version I'm going to continue to view this story as most likely fiction.
Thanks!
I think this report is very fishy. It was first reported by The Times and is not part of the intel leak. There were 500 or so Orc troops stationed there and it was reported at least 2 months prior - 8th Aug 20222 - that the plant had been mined.
Here's the account: https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-army-failed-regain-zaporizhzhia-050511020.html
If they had launched such an attack with HIMARS pounding the periphery, I doubt that would have gone unnoticed and unreported on social media, which I don't recall hearing of. Given the 2,000 plant operators and the mining, I would have thought a full on assault would have been extremely foolish
I think it's a story possibly based on a real incident a month or so earlier, when a handfull of Ukrainian special forces did sneak up to the ZNPP fence and take selfies and then snuck away. I posted the video at the time:
Those lads wouldn't have received permission to post the video at all if it was a reconoiter for a larger assault later.
The ‘one and done’ offensive that Ukraine supposedly has… What a load of BS.
Take Zelensky, who thinks the person that said, ‘I need ammunition, not a ride’ is going to abandon Ukrainians to Russian war criminals if the West suddenly goes, ‘You win Putin!’?
It’s not going to happen. They will fight on. Even in the unlikely scenario the US/UK turn tail no way Poland and the Baltic’s do. They will step up even more.
But, let’s go back to the US/UK/EU STOP supporting Ukraine… have you lost oxygen to your brain? No way does the West stop support for Ukraine as long as the Ukrainians continue to want to fight. Zelensky is wooing the West to support him, but if for some reason they stop (say, we turn into Bizzaro world) he’ll still keep fighting.
So, let’s take the scenario China invades Taiwan and most of the US military supports Taiwan… you think they completely give up on Ukraine? Fantasy stuff!
Those saying Ukraine have only one shot at an offensive this summer are spouting pro Russian propaganda or something that would get me carded if I said what I thought.
Slava Ukraini!
They're just two small battalions of tanks. Good tanks, but just tanks. It'll take more than them to make the difference
You were the one mentioning a failed offensive could cause support for Ukraine to dry up.
Russia also does not an an infinite supply of weapons and armor. Even if the counteroffensive failed (one would need to define what failed would entail) there's still 40 odd Bradley's due out of the 109, 31 Abrams, Leopard 1's being refurbished, Poland's other soviet tanks when they receive their Abrams and Korean tanks and a range of artillery purchased new by/for Ukraine. All that will arrive after the counteroffensive launches. Not to mention the ramp up in 155 shell production. So it may not be infinite, but it's not all or nothing on the outcome of a single counteroffensive.
Define long run? Biden is still president for 2 more years if he doesn't run/win the next election. You're talking about an imminent counteroffensive potentially failing and support rapidly drying up for Ukraine and then expanding that into 2/6 year time frame and then adding in a China invasion on Taiwan to boot? Be realistic ffs.
Basically you don't actually know or your would rather not say just incase,
There is no infinite supply of weapons and armor vehicles from the west and EU this is a fact,if this counter attack doesn't work they way we expect,
Then what, Biden said this and Biden said that, but Biden won't be here in the long run,and if China makes a move on Taiwan where will the US effort pivot
You're the one connecting a failed counteroffensive by Ukraine with a rapid drop off in support (finance & weapons) for Ukraine.
It's just as likely to increase support to Ukraine as the alternative (Putin dictating terms to Ukraine and the West) is inconceivable.
Maybe Biden was correct, they will support Ukraine for as long as it takes.
It's either that or just let Putin take over all of Ukraine as I can't see the West sitting down with a wanted war criminal for 'peace' talks.
@Wolf359f Do you really think if Ukraine got bogged down and lost a fair amount of armor etc... that the west will force Ukraine to negotiate wit Russia.
What do you think would happen if the Ukrainans got bogged down and lost a fair amount of their new armor exactly,
For instance if international support rapidly feel off how does ukraine keep holding off the Russian without the international communities support in fiance and ammunition and weapons
It was in the US Intelligence leak's recently,I posted the story some time last week if I remember correctly,
The Russians may or may not spy on us from their embassy, if they do then it's just one more country in a long list who are spying on us. On this list there are countries who caused us (and continue to cause us) vastly more harm than Russia ever has.
The Brits have been caught multiple times spying on us (eg Capenhurst tower, the Subsea cable tapping revealed by Snowden, etc), they continue to do so to this day, and they actively use the gained info to subvert our national interests and politicial processes.
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