Didn’t we discuss this quite a while ago?
Just watching France-Ireland (6N) from 2000 and O'Driscoll puts in a big, chest-high hit on Bernat-Salles. The French commentators point out that in the English (sic) championship you [were] allowed tackle high as long as it wasn't above the shoulders. Does anyone know if there were different rules about tackle height between countries at the time or were the just talking nonsense?
edit: think I'll go with nonsense as the same guys applaud 'a perfect tackle' by Pelous around Dawson's neck to stop him scoring.
Super Rugby to trial Yellow Card upgrade process for 2023
Yellow Card TMO reviews will take place after sanctioned players leave the field – upgrades possible to 20min red card
TMO interruptions will be restricted to serious clear and obvious dangerous play
Time limits will be enforced for kicks at goal, lineouts, scrums and rucks
Scrum half no follow round at scrum
Golden point (in 10min extra time) for drawn matches
The scrum half ruling could be huge. Players such as Ardie Savie attacking from the base of a scrum without having to deal with a scrum half lurking will be interesting.
How far can the scrum half go? The centre line of the scrum?
Once the scrum begins, the scrum-half of the team not in possession must have both feet behind the ball and be close to scrum but not be in the space between flanker and number 8 of opposition or they can go back to offside line at their number 8s feet or return to 5 metres back with their backline
im not sure what i make of these new law variations coming in at super rugby.
first off, one of the basic tenets of the game should be that the referee is the ultimate arbiter of the game. By allowing the TMO now be the main decision maker on any "iffy" red card offences, this will naturally, through human nature, result in referees being quicker to brandish yellow cards in possible red card situations, and leave the ultimate decision to the TMO
the lesser TMO interventions in open play is to be welcomed.
im a fan of the 20 minute red card, so no issue there
the new scrum law will be interesting. i can imagine some unintended consequences where defensive teams will be more encouraged to wheel the scrum, because defenders will want to direct the 8 into the side with the extra defender (the scrum half). i general i dont think this will make a major difference to the running of the game, but it does take away particular skill of some scrum halves, and rewards the poorer no 8.
golden point is great craic and great viewing.
I agree about TMO influence. Wont agree about 20 minute red cards. red cards especially serious foul play should always see team down to 14 for remainder.
Golden point at this level will be interesting to see
English womens coach wants a change in law for kicking conversions for women.
He suggested if a try is scored within 5m of the touchline in women's rugby, the kicker should have the option to take the kick from 10m inside the touchline to reduce the distance to the posts.
Think it should definitely be changed. any try scored outside of the 15m line should be kicked from the 15m. thats the law with younger age groups here and should be looked at older levels
Strangely was thinking about that today and moving the kick in from the sidelines. Just no point in taking the kick if it hasn't a hope of making the distance.
Think it should definitely be changed. any try scored outside of the 15m line should be kicked from the 15m. thats the law with younger age groups here
i havent seen that in leinster? where do they utilise that particular amendment?
Ive seen it in Munster and Connacht with u13 boys, u14 girls. Think it should be case for youngest age groups where kids realistically wont be near kicking ball over bar..
bizarre that the english coach would suggest this when they have had one of the best goalkickers in the world (mens or womens) for the last number of years in emily scarratt, some of their other options like zoe harrison are pretty decent too.
not needed
I dont see how its bizarre hes suggesting it. When he gives examples from his own team in games this season
it is bizarre seeing as they have had the best goalkicker in the womens game on their team for the last number of years, who has no problem with kicking from the touchline
they also have a 13 at the moment in Tuima who can kick from the halfway line if the school of kicking videos are to be believed
the example he gave was referring to holly aitchison, who doesnt regularly kick for her club as zoe harrsion (injured) is pretty good
I dont think its bizarre as well as he is speaking of the womens game overall and you do see it at womens games with kickers. and lack of kicks compared to mens games.
Look at the comments he made. stats mentioned in article about successful kicks.
The lack of distance place kicking may also mean that defending teams can offend more often, safe in the knowledge that penalty kicks at goal are not an option. For sides with the size & skills to defend lineout mauls this would be a huge plus.
kiera bevan the welsh scrum half has come out with similar thoughts to mine
ive already spoke on the fact that they have only kicked 8 out of 22 so far - its partly due to the fact that they are (were, she wont be kicking in the next game apparently) using an inexperienced kicker who isnt first choice for her club and is probably 4th or 5th choice at best if all options were fit and available.
Ollie woodburns red card (second yellow) in todays game.
My own opinion is that its a terrible call and something that happens in almost every try thats scored.
Anyone see it?
Anyone see the Olly Woodburn red? Correct decision technically but I feel like that sort of thing happens all the time without punishment.
Im not sure its technically correct, hes tackling a player, targeting the ball
And if it is technically correct then every try thats scored with a defender making a tackle is liable to have a YC shown
As far as the penalty try goes i cant see how the ref has decided he wouldn't have gone to touch anyway.
Mind boggling decision
The player was already tackled though, can't dive on a man on the floor.
I dont see that he did, he went after the ball, but i can see how the rule can be applied in this instance by an over zealous ref.
That rule is in place for blatant late hits after the ball has been touched down.
While the interpretation of the ‘tackle’ is iffy at best the awarding of a penalty try is hardly warranted as there is no way of knowing the first defender wasnt going to get him into touch anyway
The law in question is not reserved for players touching down. It applies everywhere on the pitch and the player just has to be near the ball.
13.4 Players on their feet and without the ball must not fall on or over players on the ground who have the ball or who are near it. Sanction: Penalty.
Murray Kinsella picked out an incident in an Ulster v Glasgow match where the same law was applied.
Big difference in the contact in both incidents.
There may need to be clarification from the rule makers as to what IS allowed here because a new focus on something like this so late in the season when it hasnt been a problem all year could cause a lot of hassle.
Take the stormers / munster game. https://youtu.be/6rXi0Kpglk0
In the first maul try the stormers 5 flops onto grounded players, in the stormers maul try in the second half ben healy does the same, and over the leg of a downed stormers player.
How are they different? And was the enforcement in the exeter game due to an officall and pre flagged emphasis on the rule or did dickinson just decide the time is right to enforce the rule?
I will never, ever be convinced the decision against Woodburn was correct to the spirit of the law. If it is then you can just slide around the pitch and you're untouchable. Want to score? Just dive from 5m or 10m out, nobody can touch you. Are tap-tackles illegal now, as you are pretty much by definition off your feet making one?
Doesn't that give it even more credit. It is no benefit for him and his team, is actually a bad thing as it gives his opponents more scoring chance and yet he is still suggesting it.
Just watched the Woodbury incident there. Utterly ridiculous. In the very first instance he didn't drive onto or over the player, he dived beside him to get an arm under and drive him to the sideline. No foul play at all in my opinion
The call for diving on him is marginal at best, but to me the decision to award a penalty try is worse, there is no change in the players trajectory once woodburn comes in so he cant say that a try would have been scored were it not for woodburn.
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