For the Model 3:
The most comfortable and supportive seats I have ever sat in (and I have a bad back).
No engine noise.
Instant torque, great for overtaking.
Autopilot pretty much the entire way, so less fatigue.
In-car entertainment superior to any other car I know of.
The high torque and low noise applies to all other EVs.
But it’s not just dragging people kicking and screaming over to EVS- there is a real financial barrier to moving to EV vs debt free diesel.
If you drive a debt free diesel and do regular runs of 350km in one go it makes no financial sense to have an EV.
To complete this journey without public charging you would need an expensive model 3 EV6 etc which would cost €700pm in repayment costs on your loan.
This then gets rid of any savings you would make in using electricity on a night rate or solar at home vs the costs of running a diesel.
This is the case for a large cohort of people.
All true, EVs are not for everyone. Also, we don't need cars with bigger batteries, we need a sufficient public charging network.
I'd say the vast majority of cars bought in Ireland are bought on PCP, HP or standard loan.
So it's more Tesla innovations than anything else really?
I've never even sat in a Tesla so I've no idea.
An ID.3 Tour would do 350km easily and payments are closer to half that.
The Tour is around 53k and it doesn't even have rear speakers.
Mine does. Are you thinking of Tour 5?
I have to laugh, so nice to drive, I can drive to Vienna and feel relaxed, yet , I need to pee, drink coffee, stretch my legs every 300 km.
Wexford town to Dublin airport is 320 km, ionity gorey is 60 km from wexford town, so 2 options, charge on the way up, nearly full battery its a waste of time, 2nd better option is charge on the way down, has the ID3 got 260 km range ? what would you have in the tank when you reach gorey in an ID3 after driving 260 km?
my calculations on the 320 km is 50 kwh x .20 euro plus 10 minutes, so 16 kWh @ .73 euro = 21.70 euro
my own 330e is running at 1.8l/100km and 17kwh/100km, so 1.65 a liter = 9.50 euro for petrol, electricity is harder to calculate as I charge out side of home and during the day, it depends, but just assume that its day time rate 40 cents, 320 km = 21.76 euro
Grand total of 31.26 euro, its hardly worth the effort, given that I charge every night also, so the electricity price is cheaper.
I know it won't do that run on 6 liters, its more like 22 liters, but thats my overall consumption figures on 5000 km.
You can't compare a debt free diesel to an EV. People don't get diesel cars for free. You want apples to apples, a diesel Golf is just over €42k in a decent spec and similar price to an ID.3. If you're doing diesel mileage, you'll have pretty decent fuel saving doing 25-30k per year.
My petrol bill doing 12k/year has gone from €1,200-1,400 to €150-200 so your diesel savings are easily double or triple that. Plus tax and servicing.
I'm also surprised to hear you can't do Dublin to Wexford, I drove to Wexford last month getting 18kWh with the heat and everything blasting, that efficiency would manage. It's only in the thick of freezing temps in Winter you'd need a top-up. If it's a company car, get a coffee expensed while you wait or drive at 110kph. It sounds like it's doable, but also if I'm driving a company car, on company time, I'd be getting a coffee expensed while charging for a quick top up.
The standard range ID3 has a very small battery compared to some of its competitors. It's more of a run around than a motorway commuter.
Somebody didn't do their research in her company. You can't put all EVs in the same box because she's using a mid-range EV to drive up and down from Wexford. I travel from Gorey to Dublin a few times per week and use less than half of the battery per day in my standard-range EV. I bought something I knew could handle the trip. It seems silly to me that someone would buy an EV that needs to be topped up at a public charger on their daily commute unless they are a sales Rep doing big mileage.
A 58kWh ID.3 only has about 54kWh usable. So at your efficiency you also wouldn't make it the 320km return Dublin to Wexford trip that was mentioned without a very quick top-up somewhere.
It's not an issue for most owners. But you will always have people who say they won't buy an EV until it can do 1000km etc. on a charge, which in Ireland isn't really relevant for the majority.
Just out of curiosity which ID.3 competitors have much bigger batteries? I don't think they vary much in that size of a car.
Not really. When I had a leaf it was more enjoyable to do journeys than in the bmw diesel.
An owner here reported not having rear speakers. The point I was making is that it's still a very expensive car for what you get compared to a diesel.
Can you do the comparison ?
What about changing that diesel to a new diesel? You still have to pay monthlies. Your argument should be, "I want to hang onto my diesel forever because new cars are too expensive." I think a lot of people who question Ev's pound-for-pound value, forget that the root of their problem is the cost of a new car in general, not the cost of a new EV.
Take the ID4. It's the most popular EV in Ireland. It's now outselling the Tiguan because it's a cheaper car to run and the monthlies are pretty similar on both cars.
Kia Nero, Tesla Model 3 (rwd), Hyundai Kona if we are also taking price into consideration.
Yeah but people on this thread are talking about dragging people into EVS kicking and screaming!
Until debt free EVs can do the same as debt free diesels a lot of people won’t and can’t change over.
I don't think your going to get debt free ones that will be a realistic alternative to petrol or diesel. The cost of the batteries and they're alternative uses have put a floor on the entry price into ownership.
9000 Cars under 5k on donedeal 10 are Electric
19000 Cars under 10k, 100 are electric
40000 Cars under 20k, 190 are Electric
and out of those 190 cars they don't go very far on a charge. The theory is the more new electric are sold the more these will trickle down to the ordinary man in the street. It's not happening and I'm not seeing the day when you'll get a decent range and a nice electric car for under 5 or 10k.
In your opinions of course.
For me they are all fundamentally the same 4 wheels, steering wheel, 4 doors and a boot.
After that you are merely paying for extras whether it's an ICE or an EV.
Cabin noise never bothered anybody ever.
its not though, everyone here has had an ice car to compare, an ev is a far more comfortable drive in nearly all cases, most diesels are horrible, noisy, turbo laggy messes. I have my dad's 420d this week while he travels, it is an awful mode of transport.
It is a company car and no way does she drive fast I've often got a lift of her and she not heavy on the right foot.
Seems to be the same opinion as everyone else in an EV so there must be something in it.
Again nobody ever considered a diesel car to be an awful mode of transport, ever.
Once the greens made them cheap everybody piled in.
I think the thread is about people being unhappy with owning one. Although the OP was speaking about a friend who was driving a company car which she hates and gave the example of a Dublin Wexford return which cannot be done with that car since the reason for hate. Nothing about the power acceleration confort and so on. With the current BIK rates she'd probably need to drive the bog standard Dacia Sandero to match it. It happened I just parked at Rosslare when red that annd posted the journey stats, but I think fact don't count. A 2019 Kona 64kWh can do this without stop and I believe is 25k ish, athough if we speak about company cars people would look for newer alternatives.
You stop at Ionity on the way back. If not comfortable at Ionity you can stop at Ag Coyne Cross or if you feel adventurous and know no better than ecars SuperValu Knocklyon. Teslas can stop at Sandyford Actually they don't need to stop. All on the way back considering you do this journey back to back without to much layover and no destination charging.
So then the whole calculation above is kinda pointless is in it? 22l is 36.3 quid, which represents 175% of the EVs running cost as calculated by you. If a company car does this 1-2 times every week a reduction of fuel cost of 40% is quite significant I'd say.
i do now, not sure what point you are trying to make?
I can even compare it to a 77kWh ID.4 Life for only €52,000 and it doesn't do well😁
First place I looked, and it's a class above the ID.3 too.
That's mad expensive alright. I'd rather a Model Y RWD for cheaper, has more tech and better performance.
