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Expected scores stats usually gives a good idea on how the match played out.
Don't think Coen has ever scored a goal before? and that was some strike from him in fairness, worth pointing out it came from Roscommon foolishly giving the ball away under no pressure at all. Mayo was behind in the game from the 19th minutes had they drew level or went ahead it might have been a different but the way Roscommon defended played it's part in that.
Aidan O'Shea IMO twice fouled his man on those throw up balls and player of his experience didn't or shouldn't be making those type of fouls.
On Enda Smith advantage the rules states
Foul Subsequent to Advantage Award
If, during the advantage period, a foul is committed by a player of the team which was originally fouled then the advantage is cancelled and a free kick/puck awarded for the “second” foul.
If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a free kick/puck will be awarded for the “second” foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original.
Id have to disagree with the sentiment that the ref was ok, personally. He never got to the pitch of it and I feel it got away from him at times. Roscommon were wasting time for the entire first half. Head injuries being feigned by the half dozen, the keeper delaying every single kickout. How not a single ball was hopped in the half for time-wasting illustrates a lack of understanding of what was going on in the game. Furthermore, the second oshea hop ball free was the wrong decision. The first one was a push, the second was not a foul, while he just stands his ground in the supposed black card incident. The roscommon lad runs straight at him and hits the deck.
There was a big issue with an advantage he gave roscommon when there was only 2 points in it. He called an advantage, let smith run another 25 metres, then called it back, but let roscommon take the free from the new position, which they duly scored.
I have no issue with losing the game, it will probably be for the best truth be told, but the ref was still not at the pitch of the game as far as I could see.
This is correct. The goals were absolutely huge. Sure, Roscommon didn't score a point from play until the 60th minute!! Everything went Roscommon's way yesterday but credit to them because they are definitely not man-for-man as good as Mayo but they bridged that gap with organization and intensity in their play. Then when they had some chances to shoot and with the wind at their back they took their chances.
Bar Coen's effort which was a little unlucky, Mayo absolutely butchered their numerous chances. Ryan's pass to Tommy was awful and then Tommy not only missed the point but the pass back across goal to Aiden who likely would have buried it. Jordan Flynn not having a shot from about 40 metres into an empty goal - yes it was against the wind but just kick it hard towards the goal and it likely bounces in before the defender gets back. McStay definitely should have pulled the trigger in the 2nd half too.
That wasn't a wayward ball it was a measured pass from Durcan to O'Shea. And it worked out perfectly.
Not at all.
I was referring to the post above that said Roscommon kicked points from harder angles and distances.
Obviously Roscommon deserved to win the last day.
they scored a goal from play tho? or does that not count, as your post is intended to downplay Roscommons ability?
Facts are the Mayo were tactically naive, and were the worst team on Sunday. If we meet them again I expect to win due to Mayos croke park pedigree, improvement through the remainder of the year, and options off the bench. Plus, we wont be 7 days after winning a competition final. But none of this negats that Roscommon score more than Mayo.
Your post reeks of padraig joyce... "if they didn't get frees we woulda won attitude"
Agree with that. Cillian's point from play out wide into the wind was the most difficult from either side. Roscommon didn't score a point from play until the 61st minute.
Goals were obviously the difference.
This Twitter account had some stats.
I think Roscommon's last couple of points put a gloss on that. They were cracking points, but their shooting was poor for most of the second half. It was a very poor match in general.
It's a cliché, but the goals definitely won the game on Sunday. If Coen's had went in, I think the Rossies would have probably have had opened up a fair bit more.
Where is the best place to get match stats?
Not doubting above at all, I thought we were completely bullied in the middle third all day.
I was gonna say, I'd love to see the stats because it didn't look to me like we were winning much in the middle at all. Back in the day, we had the likes of McLoughlin and Doherty who were really smart around the breaking ball in particular, but no one like that there the last day. No point playing a high press game if the middle is winning nothing - leaves the defence totally vulnerable.
Only won 3/17 Roscommon kickouts. Most of them were 50:50 ones out to midfield as well, so no excuse for not breaking even.
Mayo were afraid to shoot yesterday, that was their biggest problem, a lot of players hadn't the balls to take on the shot, a lot of the time in very kickable positions, Roscommon kicked points from harder angles and distances.
I disagree. Mayo won a savage amount of Roscommon kickouts. Not only that the Roscommon goalie had a meltdown. Mayo did not lose because of lack of possession from kickouts. In the first half they did not use the wind well and did not kick points from distance.
The last two points Murtagh scored were both excellent. One if them was from 48 meters out.
Biggest problem was around the middle. They won very little all day and no one around to mop up breaking ball.
But even the chance for Coen came from a wayward ball into Aidan O'Shea. You couldn't base your game plan on accurate kick passing with the conditions yesterday.
Oh ya. That first free. I rewinded a couple of times last night to see if there was anything obvious from the recorded match. I couldn't see anything, but in fairness the camera was a fair distance from the alleged incident. Ref was obviously trying to lay down a marker that he could see everything that was going on. Presumably he got the shout in his earpiece from the other officials.
But ya, you'll always get some level of contact between the backs and forwards. Frees are generally given when it is seen that the back is overstepping the mark and illegally prohibiting the forward from a decent chance of the forward gathering the ball. But in that incident I couldn't see any obvious indiscretion.
On the high kick into the forwards, I don't think Mayo are cute enough. When a high ball is kicked into O'Shea, there are inevitablely lads pulling at him, But you'd never see any of our other forwards around him to give a bit of physicality back to the defenders. Why don't they try to block the defenders out of the way. At least in a way that might throw them off their game.
I get it now
If coen went low and hard We would be saying how we should have been kicking in more
Wouldn't have too many complaints on the referee either. That first free Roscommon got was a joke though. Are we supposed to believe no Roscommon backs were holding off the ball for the rest of the game when we didn't get a free like that?
It wasn't a game for kicking into the full forward line with the wind and rain. Roscommon didn't kick anything either.
I'm hoping yesterday was a real wake up call for management and some players.
If a team is going to sit back and defend then is see absolutely no point in having Loftus at 6. His kicking (which we haven't seen a whole pile of anyway) is nullified and his weakness is exposed when those teams break. Any decent team will have this targeted by now.
Middle of the park is a big worry. Flynn got off to a great league but is going the other direction. Ruane was bullied and beaten up yesterday.
I've been a little concerned with Reape's kick-outs, but I don't think it's far to criticise them too much given that our midfield were cleaned out and the Rossies seemed first to every breaking ball.
I think the 6 weeks could be a massive bonus if it gives them some thinking time. But we were going all out for the win yesterday and failed miserably.
I haven't seen enough of Conor McStay but he doesn't seem to add much to the team. You couldn't script McHale's head injury, he seems destined to be unlucky.
The one positive I took from yesterday was that I don't think I saw McLaughlin kick the ball. He looked as if he was about to late on but stopped himself and gave a simple handpass instead. It's not much to take from the match but it's something.
The only other slight bit of solace is that if we do get to the latter stages, most of the better teams won't set up as negative.
To Look on the bright side, I still have great faith in this management team and they have just been given a fairly comprehensive list of what needs to be fixed or worked on and they have 6 weeks to work on it! Still disappointing to lose to Roscommon at home, but fair play to them they were the better team on the day.
Yeah I thought the same and it wasn't on the edge of the D it was right in the middle of the damn thing!
Re the ref. I was at the match, and thought the ref was shocking. Obviously didn't have the benefit of playback. But watched it back last night on TV, and I didn't see a whole lot wrong. In the first hop ball, I thought Aidan pushed the guy. And for the second one, he elbowed the other guy. It was prob accidental, but it was still right in front of the ref. There are always those skirmishes in a hop ball situation, and the ref normally lets them flow. But I don't think the ref yesterday was wrong to blow up for 2 frees. Aidan was very lucky he didn't get a black for a blatant block.
THere was some other challenges which could have been frees for Mayo - borderline stuff. But it was generally the Mayo players running into a bunch of Roscommon players and getting swarmed. Almot all refs will give a free out for that one.
It was a really poor performance by Mayo. Couldn't do anything creative during the last 15 mins to break down the Ros defensive unit. A lot of headless stuff, and many players afraid to take on a shot. Wouldn't have thought Mayo had an extra player for the final 15 mins.
I don't recall one decent pass into Aidan in the forward line in the whole game .
Just watching back now - Flynn was brutal, his worst game in a long time. Mcstay had a great shooting opportunity on the D with 2 points in it and passed it up; similar to the Monaghan game, very poor from him
Well done Roscommon, sickening to lose to them today but they deserved the win. Too many players had off days for us to win, particularly around MF, they absolutely cleaned us out on breaking ball.
In the long run, it may not prove to be the worst thing but it didn't feel like that walking out today
McStay behind the camera would be very different I can imagine given his connections with Roscommon, lives there and his children born and bred rossies. It's one match he wouldn't have liked to lose given the choice but would accept they were 2nd best today and can now use the time off to re-group.
Watched McStays post match interview, he literally couldn't give a flying **** about that match
Rochford never had much màs for the Connacht championship, happy enough for that to continue
I'd agree on this being a good thing, we were always better off losing this game, gives us a nice break to get in a heavy training block and peak for the last three games of the year. I'd hope that we started that block last week. As someone said Callinan not coming on showed what McStay and Co thought about today. Delighted we'll have him for the U-20s.
Having said that we got filleted around the middle today. I thought our sideline was slow to make changes and our forwards were afraid to take their chances.
On the ref, I thought he was picky which was annoying but other than the hop balls with AOS I'm not sure he gave too many against us that weren't warranted, a bit like Joyce last week we see what we want to see.
