Both losers, but with one loser gaining a decent chunk of the others' territory.
a pyrrhic victory maybe, but hard to describe it as both sides losing.
Anyways the point is that the OP claimed its a foregone conclusion that Russia have already lost & Ukraine have won - until the Ukrainian counterattack happens , that is not the case
No, they will be both losers in that scenario. But one loser will continue to be backed by the West. The other will be devoured by China.
What planet is this guy on? That's like saying Germany and Poland were friends in 1939 just because you could put them together on a map. lol.
So if the conflict is frozen as is, Ukraine win despite losing the land bridge to Crimea, and the rest of luhansk oblast?
Contested can be enough. Here's a map of the situation in Stalingrad on 18th November 1942. The black line is the front line and the grey line outlines the extent of the city's built-up areas. Note that the Germans held all of downtown Stalingrad, the high ground of the Mamayev Kurgan, and most of the factory district, with the Russians barely hanging on in the Red October factory. Meanwhile Hitler was bragging to a Munich audience about how they had "just about" taken the whole city. But while he was bragging, the fat lady was warming up...
How could it be a victory to give the foreseeable future winning and losing the odd town and City, Russia aren't going to achieve their objective which was conquering Ukraine, they are the invading force so the current stalemate is a failure/loss.The only question is how much more damage will be done before they accept it.
Yes. But really it's down to the excellent radar on the SU-35 and its long range BVR missiles. However, their pilots are shockingly badly trained, and have no ability to conduct asymmetrical warfare etc.
F-16's will not go to Ukraine, in my opinion. What they need is effective anti-air systems, and lots of them. This will take away Russian goals of air superiority. NATO is already giving the Ukranians tracking data with their AWACS aircraft. They now need the systems to deal with the target's. Much more efficient.
The war wont be won or lost until the Ukrainian counterattack succeeds
Related in an obtuse way...
Two Russian ships, with DSRV capabilities have been snooping around the Data Cables off the Dingle peninsula over the last week or so within our Economic Zone. Did our Navy launch any of our 4 newest ships, worth over €280 Million, to investigate? No.
Why? Because of lack of able seamen, medics, engine room guys and techies.
We live on one of the most strategic islands in Europe and our entire navy is tied up due to staffing.
Little wonder NATO is outside our door, asking politely to come in.
I grew up in an army household and the old man is constantly pushing the NATO membership narrative.
With the rapidly changing world order, and the regular recent attention from Russian ships. is now the time?
I believe so.
What does it matter, the war is lost, Russia winning an odd battle with massive loss of life is only making their failure statistically and morally more emphatic
Lol, this has echoes of the AFU claiming they still controlled Soledar a week after it was confirmed fallen to the Russians.
Geolocated footage puts wagner in control of almost all of central bakhmut now, in addition to south, north and eastern sides they control. The city is contested by AFU maybe, but they are not in control.
This man is an expert in geo politics and military strategy as a Donkey is to formula 1 car.
Seeing reports the SU-35s are causing massive problems for Ukraine at the moment?
Could they cause issues for the counter offensive?
Is this why Ukraine we’re begging for F16s?
Just like Ukraine and Russia are friends - common sense and a map is required. Strange that none of the European countries bordering Russia (except Belarus?) listened to this "expert".
I was going to write about , how patient the Ukrainians are being, and give examples of how patient they have being about getting trained properly on proper modern equipment and tactics and intel. However I can sum it up in one line about the counter offensive !!!
the Russians are currently very much the frogs in the tepid water(takes a lot lees energy to boil tepid water ) , that’s going to get boiled all of a sudden by , propane , induction heaters , the air fryer , microwave ,,, and some other form of super quick nato cooking we haven’t heard of before and all wrapped up in nato intelligence insulation to prevent heat loss and frog escape .
The Russians have changed tactics recently instead of moving at one point they moved to the flanks of bakhmut and are making slow gains,I think they gave up the human wave attacks and now are being a little more sensible, which seem to be paying off there and Avdiivka near donesk,if the Russians have stopped throwing thousands of bodies and are using artillery, rockets, and slowly using infantry to capture streets and buildings ,
It might make sense to start pulling back and containing the Russians,while they prepare for the coming counter offensive, Ukrainians are dieing and getting injured,at some point someone will have to weight it up , keeping killing hundreds of Russian but losing hundreds of Ukrainans per week,or fall back to a defensive position where the Russian won't push towards,and they push them back enmass during the counter offensive.
“Reports are just coming in now… I can confirm the Kremlin is on fire, Putin’s head can be seen illuminated by flames on a spike, Solovyov has been electrocuted from his copious tears shorting his microphone… and Russian media are claiming to be making advances in Bakhmut!”
Ukrainians using a mine clearing charge as an offensive weapon.
It's been insane how consistently slow the city of Bakhmut is falling to the Russians. If Ukraine we're just throwing bodies at this there would be a lot more ground regained from time to time. Instead it seems like an insanely good controlled retreat.
Having said that the Ukrainians won't retreat if the Russian attack runs out of steam. Hard to know which way it'll go but at what point would Ukraine feel they lost enough of the city to force a retreat?
First bombings, now defections. The orc regime is rapidly starting to come apart at the seams and putler won't survive it.
the orc lies and propaganda will continue to get even more desperate as their offensive collapses.
It was more than that in fairness.
It was a gesture politics referendum, the benefits poorly explained,if any.
Look at what happened with the referendum to abolish the Seanad... the population rejected it, just to lash out at the govt. Talk about cutting off your nose, to spite your face...
Bringing 'Russian freedom' to them.
Ukrainian Drones.
More US aid on the way.
Mostly munitions for various systems and and some vehicles and unmanned air defense systems
We've predicted the fall of Putin a few times now on this long and winding thread but on this milestones day of NATO-expansion you have to think there are powerful Kremlin overlords seriously considering how to get out of this mess.
Moldova will need to get rid of their own Russian problem and massively increase their defense capabilities first,and the same applies to Georgia,who despite having been attacked and had territory annexed by putin they are still in putins sphere of influence, despite wanting to join Nato back in 1996
Putin bringing freedom to the residents of Donesk.
Finland is in. 8-)
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