The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Petrol car would be cheaper if using mainly the charging network, which one might be if theyre going over 150k away from time to time. This would include alot of Motorway driving. Yes i could use the slow roads or drive 90kmph but time can be a factor so real electric km usage is much higher.
But a Leaf62 should manage over 300km without using a public charger, so a large percentage of your driving would be from the home charger. That's why the public charging component only accounts for 50% of the cost
I was out earlier this evening trying to use ESB chargers with Elli account, Elli card was not recognised and when I checked the Elli app to try and activate the majority of ESB CCS sites appear to have disappeared apart from sites hosting 22kwh chargers. Has the agreement ended with ESB?
Just checked my nearest 50kW ESB charger and the app lists it as being able to use with We Charge, which is effectively Elli
I have noticed a lot of ESB chargers can be listed twice, or show as offline, so it's not always reliable
Yeh both "fast chargers" in letterkenny have disappeared, noticing a lot of other chargers missing also e.g. Mayfield on M7 only displaying 1 charger..
Had to fall back to ESB card and their rip off prices.
Weird, just checked Mayfield in the We Charge app and it's showing 13 chargers (ambitious 😂)
I might download the Elli app to see if it agrees, but I've no clue why they'd be different 🤔
First time using the eCars charger in Dingle and could NOT remove the CCS plug - Swiped my card, selected CCS, and the small LED light above the plug turned off but no way could I pull it out - Ended up just using the AC charger. Was this a fault with the charger or user stupidity.
If it's one of the newer blue machines they are sometimes difficult to unlatch from machine. Needs a sharp pull upwards, or push in and pull out again.
Those new 50kW units you simply need to push in and pull out, there's a mechanism.
Ive got caught on those chargers stuck a couple times before too. Id say just ring their phone number, the staff are usually very helpful
Now it disappeared completely from elli. I haven't use the ESB DCs with elli but if some charger failed to recognize the card I'd blame the charger first. I was on Saturday at Gorey charging at ionity and a poor lady was trying to charge at ESB. When she plugged the type 2 I offered help. She didn't have the card and the app was showing free at the first screen but when she was going to the next screen to start charging was showing the charger busy. She tried to restart the app/phone but no luck. I started her on Ionity as she was already there for 10 minutes and the frustration was biting.
I see epower on elli. Just noticed they have 2 DC and 10 AC chargers at Radisson Dublin Airport WoW
I guess Elli and VW We Charge must have different networks available. Really bizarre considering they're both in the same parent company 🤷♂️
Ecars have always been a bit flaky with 3rd party cards. Plenty of stories about them taking ages to validate and timing out
And there was a long long time that third party RFIDs were totally free to use on ecars. I got a good 12+ months out of that!
Thanks I was definitely just pulling it straight down - thanks for the tip. I have just used the Ionity ones before and they are a breeze.
Saw this on Facebook. May be diy
Must be that IRA sticker preventing Unionists from charging 😂
Something like that might work better
'' STOP WITH CARD''
A red hand holding a card maybe.
In Irish, English and Ulster scots to be inclusive.
Seems charger usage is levelling off. Probably as a result of a new competitors (prices for Ionity, and now Applegreen are on par) come online, and because charging prices have gone through the roof.
It'll be interesting to see the change when NI becomes paid charging.
Yes I think the competition bites. People realize convenience trumps 10c. I didn't have good experience with Applegreen but there is potential. For me Ionity is cheaper than ESB even cheaper than my day tariff at home which is nuts.
Great stats.
One of the interesting stats there is the "tethered AC ratio" in "minutes per site". All of the sessions are averaging around 30 to 40 mins where previously they were around the 80 min mark. That is my mind is the users becoming more familiar with the chargers and learning that the AC43 lead won't give you 43kW (unless you're a Zoe) and then dropping the session and probably moving over to the DC charger instead. That was always the oddity with those DC chargers, you'd have people there who use the AC as it looks most like their charging connection at home, taking up the charging space for little gain.
The Chademo will start to drop off as the Leaf 24/30/40's find their range reducing and not wanting to risk longer journeys and detrimental DC charging.
When you dont increase the number of your sites you cant expect usage to grow that much.
That's not sessions. It's total minutes of tethered AC usage that day, divided by the number of sites that have a tethered AC unit. So these days, on average every site that has an AC43 plug is being used for about 25 minutes a day. By contrast, every site that has CCS is being used for an average of over 6 hours.
Mayfield CCS is in use, on average, for 39.37 hours every day. 7 plugs, hence more hours usage than there are in the day. Blanch is 26 hours of CCS usage (in use includes when CCS isn't available due to a unit not load sharing)
Oh, I see it now. I read it wrong and misunderstood the metric. Thanks for the explainer.
Especially when some are at the physical boundary. Can you expect an increase in usage in the picture below?
14h a day usage on average is absolutely madness. You're most likely to find it in use than free. So why bother. Looking at the trading updates from Fastned their average is 3.6h/plug in NL and 2h/plug in DE
Stillorgan P& R dropped from the similar figure to 9h. I wonder if the 4 Tesla SuC have anything to do with or the fact that the parking is not exclusive for EVs and spaces are not longer available for charging as it was pre-pandemic.
If I owned a charging network, I would want 14 hours a day.
Aim for 14h and you loose your customers. I'm not queueing up for your charger. Ref Airport I've yet to test the Radisson ones but if they are confirmed it will be a big relief for that area
I won't be paying for a charger to sit there doing nothing for 22 hours.
The cheaper charger will always be in use, the more expensive one will be a last resort.
Not at all! I'll aim for Ionity, or some sort of hub over a SPOF. Granted the SPOF are typically 50kW so there's less appeal there to begin with.
Can't deny though, if a unit is in use 14 hours a day you probably don't need to care much about losing customers. Demand is so high they'll put up with it.
I'm not 100% on my metrics, but I think EasyGo units are horribly under-utilised - couple of hours a day at best. They don't have the massive footprint that Ecar have (thus everyone has an account with them), or the big name, speeds and manufacturer deals that Ionity boasts.
IMO if you own a charging network and you see steady 14 hours usage then you'd call it a success
If however you owned a business which provided charging to lure in customers (Applegreen, Circle K) then you'd call it a problem because it'll mean you're losing potential customers
There’s a third option. Imagine you’re a semi-state and were given public money to setup an EV Charging network to facilitate and encourage the transition to an electric car fleet. Usage of 14h a day is the very opposite of success. Either you haven’t gotten enough money from the government or you’ve invested it poorly and under-developed the network.
