The eviction ban

howiya · 01-04-2023 08:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429023#Comment_120429023

Was just curious. Not sure what your discretionary spending or that of the twenty something old you saw in the shop have to do with the eviction ban. Is he getting kicked out of somewhere?

01-04-2023 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429019#Comment_120429019

I’d expect it to be fair, but anything you do over 40 hrs isn’t worth your while after tax.

hotmail.com · 01-04-2023 09:05PM

Hardly any of the 11 thousand homeless people bothered to show up to the protest today.

Larbre34 · 01-04-2023 09:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429062#Comment_120429062

Its more than zero. For a married couple on shared credits, it can be worth a lot more than zero.

Many tens of thousands of people work far over and above their basic hours, for no overtime payment, because it is what is expected of them to keep their job.

My Father worked double shifts most of the week in the late 70s and 80s to build a better life for us, even though the effective tax rate on half his annual salary and all of the overtime was north of 60%.

Don't be so precious.

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2023 09:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429041#Comment_120429041

It was interesting in that he was on crutches and his foot was in a medical boot. Now you may wonder what that is a factor. It indicates that more than likely the spend was all his own rather than some for his parents as well.

Now I am not sure if this week was a super rollover jackpot. If it is it might be a not normal lotto spend. However I suspect its a normal spend

It probably indicates a slight gambling habbit. It also probably indicates that he has a similar spend mid week. This would give a total spend in the 40/ week or 2k/ year on lotto.

Now why would it have implications with the eviction ban. At the present it probably indicates he dose not save. If he meets someone or has net someone it will impact his ability to save a deposit for a house

It's also indicates that if he rents there is a probability that he will struggle paying his rent. Gambling is a serious indicator for mismanaged of money

01-04-2023 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429134#Comment_120429134

I did that & I’m still in the same situation.

we’re in Different times man. Different times.

We’re taxed to oblivion on everything that’s why we can’t afford anything.

And if everybody did what yee say and just worked & saved every penny & didn’t buy those coffees or go for drinks & holidays I’m not sure how many jobs would be around then.

I’d people ain’t spending money then no jobs & no businesses.

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2023 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120427280#Comment_120427280

I listened to it usual stitch up by RTE. They has Sister Stan on first. Then the Shinnors, Labour and presume SD spokesperson could keep refering back to her as an expert.

Every time there is the hard case quoted.

Nobody talks about the fact that a substantial portion of LL are scared sh!tless and getting more scared of being involved in the sector.

No talk about the fact that there is probably many vacant houses out there to rent but owners are too scared to rent them

hotmail.com · 01-04-2023 09:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429136#Comment_120429136

Down to what ?

01-04-2023 09:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429224#Comment_120429224

There’s another thread on boards where a person is heading overseas for a year & asking for advice on what to do with his property, Nearly everybody is saying the same thing.

leave it empty or rent it to students. That’s the state of affair’s.

redlough · 01-04-2023 09:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120428596#Comment_120428596

Eoin is just trying to fit in with the rest of Sinn Fein.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120427280#Comment_120427280

😂

So LL's in Ireland only support FFG?

howiya · 01-04-2023 09:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429143#Comment_120429143

A lot of speculation about someone you don't know. Seems a bit bizarre

redlough · 01-04-2023 09:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120428801#Comment_120428801

Are you serious? If you had 50k, and a 50k salary that means you will be able to get at least 150k mortgage so thats 200k.

Quick look on daft and over 2,000 properties available under 200k.

The majority of houses in Ireland are bought by homeowners. The vulture funds/NGO's etc are a very low percentage but very high profile.

01-04-2023 10:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429255#Comment_120429255

Have you looked where they are?

There in places that salaries of 50k a year aren't being paid.

howiya · 01-04-2023 10:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429255#Comment_120429255

How many of these are just sites?

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2023 10:18PM

I'm turning convinced the ban should never have been brought in, in the first place. They have created a dam that's now bursting and it was only a delay of the inevitable anyway. If anything I think it's made the situation worse for those with notices to quit. A lot of people will be hunting for a roof at the same time.

alias no.9 · 01-04-2023 10:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429343#Comment_120429343

The net effect of the ban has been to convince a cohort of landlords who'd been considering exiting the market when their current tenants leave to become more proactive and issue notice as well as clustering the termination of tenancy notices.

The whole thing has been a clusterfuck and Sinn Feins extension to January 31st was a cynical attempt to get a second go at hand wringing and maximise the political capital.

01-04-2023 10:45PM

Of course it shouldn't have been brought in, it only kicked the can down the road.

People were saying exactly what would happen & it's exactly what is happening.

redlough · 01-04-2023 10:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429315#Comment_120429315

You can be paid anywhere with remote working

redlough · 01-04-2023 10:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429333#Comment_120429333

no idea, can you check, thanks

01-04-2023 11:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429434#Comment_120429434

Not everybody can remote work.

howiya · 01-04-2023 11:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429343#Comment_120429343

Yep should never have been brought it. Government should govern instead of trying to outdo the opposition. Governing requires hard decisions. They tell us they made the hard decision last week when not extending it but the time for the hard decision was last autumn.

But being where we are they've also managed to handle the unwinding of the ban badly. Eamon Ryan having to clarify his remarks yesterday to confirm that the safety net they've been discussing in the media hasn't been legislated for yet.

If you're going to kick the can down the road, maybe pass the legislation before you get to the end of the road.

And then there's doubts over whether any of these safety net measures will actually work.

It's been a serious own goal that ultimately has consequences way beyond politics. The rental market is screwed.

Emblematic · 01-04-2023 11:22PM

Good article on RTE about the consequences of the reintroduction of no fault evictions:

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2023/0401/1367690-housing-crisis/

DRedSky · 01-04-2023 11:38PM

FG/ff have destroyed the Irish property market.

absolutely destroyed it.

02-04-2023 12:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429591#Comment_120429591

The rental market, and only for some renters.

The overall property market is ticking along nicely.

Allinall · 02-04-2023 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429539#Comment_120429539

That’s been the situation for the last 100 years.

Hard cases make bad laws.

02-04-2023 09:33AM

Fianna Fáil destroyed the country over 10 year’s ago & were brought back in 3 years ago.

look at the damage they’ve done again, greed greed greed.

Bass Reeves · 02-04-2023 10:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429468#Comment_120429468

No not everyone can. But there is a cohort in Dublin that could. If I was in that cohort and renting in Dublin I seriously look at moving out of Dublin. There is a substantial number of semi derelict properties outside of Dublin that can be bought reasonably enough.

There is substantial grants to do them up. For fairly small properties( two bed townhouses) you would refurbish them completely between the grant and the energy upgrade grant.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120430329#Comment_120430329

Explain to me the solutions you think should be put in place to resolve the situation

Tony EH · 02-04-2023 11:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120428891#Comment_120428891

Yes there was. My brother in law bought his house in the 80's and that was on a factory wage. My father bought their house in the 70's on his average industrial wage.

Finty Lemon · 02-04-2023 11:19AM

The eviction ban was a bad mistake as it distorted the rental market. All these populist policies mistake the will for the deed. I do suspect that the hand wringing opposition politicians would prefer to make the situation worse for people rather than better- the worst kind of profiteering.

People using DAFT stats on lack of rental properties available are missing the point that the eviction ban has taken property out of circulation. The houses haven't been knocked down they are just not being advertised. Rent control has a long history of doing the same. In my area (small to moderate sized town), local landlords are renting quietly to people they know, and staying away from advertising to the higher risk tenants.

Yesterday was a good day for people looking to rent a house.

Emblematic · 02-04-2023 11:19AM

Solutions need to focussed on increasing the numbers of units overall for all types of housing provision: private renting, social housing, outright purchasing etc. Various means of doing that have been discussed here and examples exist of countries that have suffered much worse shortages (e.g. after bombing) and have solved the problem.

After increasing the supply the next priority needs to be the quality of rentals on offer. Unlike perhaps a lot of people here, I think that there should be options to rent a house with some degree of security. That you as a tenant should have a reasonable expectation of security for the duration of the contract provided you fulfill your side of the bargain. This means that the landlord has to treat being a landlord as a professional business rather than having multiple homes that also generate a bit of income when not in use. Again, there are international examples where this is the case.

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