Jesus what are the chances of that? Real needle in a haystack stuff.
From what I hear it seems that a son of the couple was caught for some minor offence over in the US & over there they take both fingerprints & DNA sample. When the body of Baby John was exhumed in 2020-21 I cant recall, the DNA sample was put up on a US database hence how the match was linked back to the couple. A liaison officer was sent to the US to notify their son of their recent arrest before it became public.
So people in Dublin are are thick as too planks also then?
i.e. Dun Laoghaire baby case?
tarring every small town in Ireland as full of imbeciles while something similar happens in Dublin, means there is a problem with Ireland at that time. I think we can all agree with that statement?
They were absolutely not upholding any kind of Catholic morality. Some priests and bishops are an absolute disgrace, then and now. Same with guards, doctors teachers - and every other profession.
Hopefully the gardai will be using this opportunity to show that they can conduct a murder investigation with both precision and care, and not with the sheer incompetence shown by their colleagues three or four decades ago.
If they are conducting this to appease the media, then they're not that different to their older colleagues.
Or maybe afterwards, the media nearly always print something around his anniversary, same with Ann Lovett
Joanne Hayes and her family were very unfairly treated by the guards and the media, it's good to hear she was supported by those in her community.
Wow, well I’m a woman and I was replying to a woman from the same parish as the Hayes family who feels that her neighbours and the society she’s lived in all her life are being deliberately wrongly and unfairly portrayed on this thread.
I lived all through the 70s and 80s and it’s only now that I’m in my late 50s that I feel oppressed, as a biological woman, by anyone or anything.
And I’ve worked full time in mixed workspaces all through that with folk ftom every background race religion or none gay straight whatever you’re having yourself.
So you’ll forgive me if I’m not too impressed with the current state of affairs, I think I’m quite entitled.
I hope not, I don't think the anniversary of Baby John's murder should be used for grandstanding.
Yeah but that poster doesn't care one bit as long as they get to look down on people they consider inferior to them.
They do the same thing constantly in Personal Issues and Work Issues too. It's a bit disturbing tbh.
How they haven't been banned years ago is a mystery to say the least.
Oh for fúcks sake, really? 🙄
Tell me what morality Catholic bishops were upholding when they were covering up for child rapists?
It's his anniversary in a couple of weeks, I wonder are they building up to make an announcement then...
Women don't make women pregnant.
The only ones being shamed here are the pricks who couldn't keep it in their pants.
I'm with you on that, absolutely shameful.
I'm not going to quote it but I genuinely think I've just read one of the most disturbing posts here that I've ever seen on Boards. Unbelievable, some people haven't a clue what went on in some womens lives, not all of the pregnancies were as a result of women being willing participants, far from it, it doesn't even bear thinking about for anyone with any normal thought process, some went from horrendous abuse to an even worse situation in the 'homes', from the frying pan into the fire in earnest. It was torture for so many and still they're being blamed for it by some people, so hard to believe it.
Lots of fumbling in the dark, in more ways than one.
Yes we were woeful naive… it was all taboo. No sex education, no internet, and parents just hoping for the best because they didn’t want to be talking to us about sex either. It’s a wonder we got the hang of it at all 😆.
Wow.
So shaming them all over again. Not much has changed.
Even considering the topic it started with, this thread has taken a very disturbing, and very revealing, turn.
Plenty did through lack of sex education, they were told something was bad without knowing what it was. Even the word was dirty and neither sex would have been educated about their own biology. Women wouldn't have even understood their menstrual cycle and the stage that pregnancy can occur at. Nuns and priests telling kids to sleep with their hands crossed - they never explained why of course, but it was to stop masturbation ffs.
Then there were cases of rape and incest, but the girls and women were to blame for that for tempting their abusers.
None of this was unique to Ireland so denying it happened is staggering.
I know empathy & compassion are not your forte, but you're pushing the envelop here.
If Catholic morals really held any sway in the country, then not one woman would have ever got pregnant while unmarried.
The only one attacking here is you. They were inmates not residents. You are aware that those who escaped were returned by the guards? Your ignorance is astounding.
As regards the holocaust can you really not see the parallels? In both cases those considered weaker and inferior were incarcerated. Some women died there as they were too institutionalised to live independently.
Nobody died? 800 hundred babies in Tuam. Possibly other places. You are either a troll or else you revel in other people's misery. I pity you.
Are you a member of any survivor support group? Because I am and I can tell you that what some people endured is beyond traumatic. You keep believing your own narrative. Perhaps join the legion of Mary, no doubt ye can all get off belitting the suffering of others in your little echo chamber.
... but DNA obtained from a bin could have been from anyone. Once it was linked to baby John it would have given grounds for arrest.
Once under arrest, DNA could be obtained in controlled circumstances and an unbroken chain of custody / evidence used to prove their connection to baby John beyond reasonable doubt.
Wow, do you want to regress to an Ireland where women and children were treated like shìt for the "crime" of having sex (or being raped) and for being born "illegitimate"?
Because they were brainwashed from birth into the catholic church's twisted sexual "morality".
Fk sake 🙄
Of course the inspectors didn't see it. Same as when the children in industrial schools were given new clothes to wear just before the (tipped-off in advance) inspection was to take place and then put back in rags afterwards.
I really do question whether you are serious or taking the píss and I'm not sure which is worse.
I never said forced adoption was the norm but it did happen, you denied this but now it seems you do accept it did happen?
There's a reason records are unavailable. I've been saying for years that ALL records of religious orders should have been seized by the Gardai and investigated for criminal wrongdoing but we are stuck with these useless enquiries that can only investigate what the religious orders are willing to disclose.
Bunch of bastards the lot of them. They should have been bankrupted but instead the taxpayer bailed them out.
I've never seen anyone justify illegal child trafficking on Boards before. Wow. This is a new low. You are also admitting that the death rate in these institutions was grossly excessive - which it was, even compared to the Dublin slums of the time.
And you say that these hellholes did good. Fk me.
Yes but they wouldn't have been "necessary" at all if catholic "morals" had not held such sway in this country (And yes I do know there were similar protestant institutions here too but they could only exist because they fit in with the prevailing viewpoint of "morality")
As for exploiting the vulnerable and weakest, this is what religons do across the globe and throughout history.
🙄 Pure cowardly to think that 'confessing' to a priest, when you know it will go no further, is doing the right thing.
Was your comment wrong?
YES.
Mother and baby homes did plenty of good? Sure. 700 corpses in a former cesspit, is that good? Or Bessborough where they don't even know where the bodies are?
You dont know what happened though so you shouldnt be jumping to conclusions
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