I predict we won’t hear the end of this soon in this environment of fearmongering about wokeism just as I predict it won’t advance the gun debate an iota.
Aged 28, she was a former student. It was a private church school. The motive is unclear. Median age of a school shooter is 16
State officials already extended (and defended) the traditional issuance of Thoughts and Prayers TM.
The police were on the scene very quickly but still 6 dead. Not a day for anyone to be proud.
This guy Razorfist laying it down on the medias reaction
Of course he could be still there, you know they have internet in America?
This has long been the fundamental issue. There's a justified lack of trust on both sides. Most legislation tends to be punitive, and performative, aimed for headlines rather than substance. See the Assault Weapons ban, or efforts at registration.
I would be in favor of licensing requirements, insurance requirements, school education on safe handling.
Better healthcare is its own issue, and the benefits would impact across multiple levels of society. Substantive efforts to tackle the poverty and social situations that drive crime in high violence communities is needed. So many things, but all we get is empty rhetoric and more dead bodies.
As ever, the devil is in the details. The overwhelming majority want background checks, but enough want only background checks that there's less support for what's being voted on.
They've not done it since, which I will condemn them for, but after Sandy Hook, multiple proposals for universal background checks were submitted by Congressional Republicans. Two I recall specifically, one was to give private sellers access to the same NICS telephone system that firearms dealers use. The other was to use apps, kindof like a 2FA system, which I thought rather clever, though I can see why there might have been a little less support for that one. That was all the proposals did. "If you want to sell a gun to another person, do this quick check on the spot." Few people have major issue with that. Some will, yes, there are always intransigents, but a definite minority.
Instead of going with what they could get, however, Democrats who had the majority, tried overreach, as they seem to often do on the matter. Four Republicans voted for the measure which was actually proposed, which required third parties, record-keeping and additional time and expense. Five Democrats voted against, more crossed the divide that way than Republicans for. (Though in fairness, it would have failed by one vote even if they had stayed with the majority).
I know you weren't replying to my post but nobody here is saying to ignore the numerous school shootings that have been carried out by people who don't identify as transgender. The post you quoted certainly doesn't say it.
Sadly, I think you're 100 percent correct, here.
If you think about it, they might as well just be honest about that instead of attempting to shift the burden of blame to their factors like video games. Realistically, what difference would it make? They still wouldn't pass any laws to change matters.
So we're just going to ignore the numerous school shootings that have been carried out by people who don't identify as transgender ??? There doesn't even seem to be a huge push to stop people with mental illness accessing guns, I accept some States may have stronger laws than others. It's beyond mental that Americans can have this amount of dead children at schools and there is no massive push for change. How many dead children is too many? I don't get it.
Nothing anyone says on a website in Ireland is going to change anything about gun policy in America. There is always going to be guns there, that's just the way they are. They could have a ban on the sale of semi-automatic weapons and make it illegal to own them, this would help but is never going to happen. Sadly too many Americans see dead children as collateral damage in the right to own these weapons, personally I think its **** insanity. Imagine sending your children to school in America and not only having to worry about the usual stuff like will they have a good day, will they make friends, will they do well in exams etc, but having to worry about will they actually come home ??? That's the reality of it.
Nothing changed after Parkland, Uvalde etc so nothing will change now. They seem really focused on banning books, dead children can't read anything !!!
kinda bemusing to see the 'we should be scared of trans people as there's a slight possibility that the number of shooters who are trans is slightly higher than background noise' narrative being peddled; given that men are responsible for 97% of mass shootings. if you're going to focus on demographics, it's that figure which swamps all else.
i.e. men are 30 times as likely to perpetrate a mass shooting as women; even though the ratio between the sexes is as close to 50:50 as makes no difference.
but nope, it's trans people who are the dangerous ones.
Americans are happy to continue with school shootings. As long as the 2nd amendment is safe the safety of children is irrelevant.
That attitude wont change and is ingrained in them as acceptable losses.
Just spitballing ideas but i see your point. I think it was in the columbine shooting where one of the guys bigger guns jammed guns jammed and he didnt know how to fix it so moved onto a handgun. Definitely happened in North Hollywood Shootout.
Has to be better ideas than locked doors and the quick response of " good guys with guns".
Well when this happens in other countries their officials and lawmakers ask themselves something - namely what can we do to stop this from happening again?
America does not. It throws around blame until something else dominates he new cycle. They’re trans. They listen to metal. They played counter strike. Some flimsy excuse that doesn’t get to the root cause of anything.
There is no political will to enact any legislation around guns. Biden can only issue an executive order because any legislation, even on something that has high bipartisan public support, like universal background checks, will ultimately be blocked by the republicans.
So yes, I think if you actively prevent legislative change on guns, even change that your constituents would broadly support, then you’re complicit.
For anyone is interested this is the most level head opinion on causes and possible solutions to mass shootings I've heard.
It's very long though.
Paul Harell has spent his entire life, outside of military career (where he was a sports shooting champion add firearms instructor), in competitive shooting and training.
https://youtu.be/ihQ-j6eALGc
Very unusual for a woman to go postal like this. Heart breaking for the school kids and staff and the perpetrators family
I'm also for taking the trans part out of the title, if only to stop the people who seem to care more about the misgendering of this filthy animal who shot and killed 3x 9 year old children. Who gives an actual flying fluck what that identified as. It's dead. The world is better and no one should ever utter the name of that yoke again.
The mind boggles sometimes. And I don't even like children, but I see how messed up this is.
Every elected official and lawmaker who doesn’t at least attempt to prevent it happening in future is complicit in the next one.
There’s good reason elected officials and lawmakers don’t make laws based solely upon that kind of daft emotionally manipulative nonsense - they’re not children.
America is unique insofar as it’s the only country in the world that does nothing when a shooting like this occurs to prevent it happening again.
A shooting in a school in the UK, handguns are banned immediately.
A shooting in an Australian university, laws banning guns are brought in.
Some primary school kids are shot in the US, we’re told it’s because the shooter is trans and it’s just a shame there weren’t more guns available to stop it.
America has long since decided that children having their lives ended in violent circumstances in their place of learning is worth the price of their current gun laws. Every elected official and lawmaker who doesn’t at least attempt to prevent it happening in future is complicit in the next one. And it will happen again, and probably not too far in future.
Why would that work?
Despite the issue of different firearms for different purposes, I, for one, can only use one at a time and I think most people suffer the same limitations of only having two arms and one dominant eye.
Let's say I can carry 10kg worth of guns and ammo. I can carry a 3kg gun and 7kg of ammo, or two 6kg guns and 4kg of ammo. With which could more damage be caused? What good would limiting the number of owned firearms do?
When faced with this issue, the next logical proposal folks tend to make is "Well, then, let's limit the amount of ammunition you can have." Well, reloading is a thing, is the first problem (So are reliable 3D-printed firearms nowadays, incidentally. They've gotten much better the last couple of years). The second problem is coming out with a 'practical' limitation on how many rounds someone can have with them even if somehow they could effectively control reloading. "Nobody needs more than 200 rounds", or whatever. You will easily burn that much plinking in the back woods with your friends in an hour, let alone if you're seriously practicing for a competition. Of all the spree shooters, only Vegas fired more than that (for comparison, Pulse, 189, Sandy Hook 164).
Yes, I did subsequently post that same information when I found it.
From news I've read the title is incorrect. I understand they are transgender male. They were female at birth and then identified as male. They were using the name "Aiden" as well.
Who cares ? She was a women with mental health issues. 6 people dead - 3 children….who cares about pronouns.
97% of people getting gender reassignment surgery in America had other severe mental health issues. Suicide rates amongst those people with gender issues are multiples of those who don’t. So having trans people be part of the mentally impaired school shooters is entirely expected.
Fierce funnywoman altogether Boggles, you too obviously understand point I was making, so I’ll leave it there.
Huh?
She was literally killed as she was still literally shooting out the windows and into the hallways.
Again it's not my opinion.
Utterly bizarre. 😕
Countries like Finland and Switzerland are nothing like the US though, that’s why while they can be compared in terms of firearms ownership, it’s pretty much pointless. Limitations like that wouldn’t do anything to limit spree killers. Surely it’s obvious by now that no matter what rules are in place, people who are of a mind to commit murder will find a way around those rules and regulations.
FWIW though -
Overall, the percentage of gun owners in the U.S. has been declining relative to the population growth and is at an almost 40-year low,reported the Washington Post. Across a number of national polls, gun ownership has fallen by 10 – 20 percent from the 1970s.
If you want to chew on the numbers further, 48 percent of white men in America currently have a gun. That’s compared to 24% of white women and 24% of nonwhite men, as well as 16 percent of nonwhite women.
One other telling characteristic — the less education you have, the more likely you are a gun owner. About a third (31 percent) of the people who only have a high school diploma have a gun, 34 percent of those who some college education, but only a quarter of those with a bachelor’s degree report to be gun owners. Among whites only, the number of high school diploma owners with a gun jumps up to 40 percent, compared to 26 percent for college graduates.
Another factor that plays into this – the farther you live from a city, the more likely you are to own a gun, as 46 percent of Americans who live in rural areas are gun owners. This is in contrast to 28 percent of suburbanites or 19 percent of those who live in urban areas, who feel compelled to get a weapon.
Combine this with the statistics that the number one reason (among 67 percent) for owning a gun is “protection,” while 89 percent of gun owners see having one as important to their overall identity and another 85 percent say guns are essential to their sense of freedom.
https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/a-minority-of-americans-owns-most-of-the-guns-and-drives-gun-agenda-studies-show/
If you want to believe there's some sort of connection between Faugheen using "domestic terrorism" in a post on a Boards thread and a perfectly straightforward RTE article which you think is an attempt at "distracting the reader", then go ahead.
I do though, because that’s the context in which I was making the point, in suggesting that what he was doing is similar to what the author of the RTE article was doing.
You don’t get to push your issues onto me as if I’m at fault when you clearly don’t care for the point I was making in the first place. I’m satisfied to leave it there as I’m in no doubt now you understood the point I was making in the first place.
I don't give a damn about Faugheen's use of "domestic terrorism". That means nothing to me.
But there is ZERO correlation between that and the perfectly straightforward RTE article.
Climb down out of yourself telling me you can’t help me if I’m having trouble reading the article and it’s entirely my own fault. I don’t want your help, I’m perfectly able to read an article on my own and form my own thoughts and opinions on it and what it is attempting to convey or accomplish, in the same manner as I have the capacity and ability to do so when @Faugheen or anyone else uses uses a term or language I’m not familiar with, like ‘domestic terrorism’, where it doesn’t apply, or it’s meaning is ambiguous.
I think there possibly are. But the issue is that they aren't comprehensive enough, or in other States completely non-existent.
The salient point, whether one wants to view this as a gun issue or a mental issue, is that it is way, way, too easy for people who shouldn't have access to weaponry of a firearm nature to get hold of them legally and then subsequently carry out these types of attacks.
And that really needs some sort of in-depth review because, without stricter measures, these types of incidents will just keep happening. It comes down to whether those in authority are happy to keep seeing dead kids as a result of overly lenient guns laws or whether they want to do something to try and prevent that from occurring.
