I predict we won’t hear the end of this soon in this environment of fearmongering about wokeism just as I predict it won’t advance the gun debate an iota.
Aged 28, she was a former student. It was a private church school. The motive is unclear. Median age of a school shooter is 16
State officials already extended (and defended) the traditional issuance of Thoughts and Prayers TM.
Because Americans, both Democrat AND Republican, and all flavours in between, value their freedom to defend themselves and their property, and there will never be any serious move towards giving up that freedom. Americans like their guns, it’s that simple. They like their guns more than they like the idea of being unable to protect themselves in a country where they’re pretty sure everyone else is armed to the teeth.
Btw I looked up that term ‘domestic terrorism’. It’s bullshìt rhetoric designed to promote paranoia and fear, and that never leads anywhere positive -
Domestic terrorism or homegrown terrorism is a form of terrorism in which victims "within a country are targeted by a perpetrator with the same citizenship" as the victims. There are many definitions of terrorism, and none of them are universally accepted. The United States Department of State defined terrorism in 2003 as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience."However, the U.S. government cannot charge someone with domestic terrorism because no such criminal law exists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism
As I've suggested before when the issue of this really being a societal problem or mental health problem arises:
If there there is something inherent in US society, in their social fabric, in their way of perceiving the world, in their psyche, whatever, that makes them more likely to be predisposed to mass shootings than people from other cultures...then surely that's a massive argument in favour of gun control.
Just as we would restrict access to items that could be used for violence or suicide away from people on certain hospital wards.
Yes, it's important to understand, treat, and hopefully resolve the underlying causes, but now, right now, it also seems sensible to limit access to the weapons through which the underlying causes manifest themselves.
Exactly. The intense focus on banning guns is essentially dodging the issue that there is something deeply wrong in American - and by extension western - society that produces people with severe mental health issues and murderous rage against even small children. Decades ago school children in the US used to bring guns to their schools - and nothing happened. Gun control has increased, but the problem is so bad now that school shooters are almost accepted.
The primary cause is the what society is doing to its people. There ought to be an investigation into how this person was radicalised, what ideology did they consume and who mentored them. That will never happen of course. There is massive defensiveness about the topic.
Point proven as usual , just cant help it can ya
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just as well they weren't black or latino , you might have exploded with glee
Have a think about it. Why are politicians (usually Republicans) refusing to do anything to address the large amounts of gun violence, especially in schools?
And the answer is not the second amendment. Politicians have no problem imposing restrictions on Constitutional rights when it suits them.
Well what is the definition of misgenderimg?
If it is incorrectly starting the gender that a person feels at a moment in time, and that person has proven to be willing to change their feeling of gender, isn’t it quite possible that we are always at a risk of “misgendering”? Therefore it is a useless accusation or criticism.
I think that's the 4th or 5th time you've mentioned 'domestic terrorism' in this thread without giving any context.
I'll bite - wtf are you on about?
The issue is domestic terrorism.
Are we now describing everyone who commits a crime as suffering with their mental health? A lot of these perpetators seem to be depressed but that wouldnt explain why they want to shoot as many people dead as possible before they are killed or captured. This seems to be a nationwide problem in america so wont be solved by trying to just focus on and solve problems in the trans, black, white male or hispanic communities.
Why do we get to cast aside the vast majority of shootings just to make your statistics look better?
The issue is 'gun crime in the us' - you dont get to move the goalposts just to increase trans involvement percentages.
Logically & statistically its far far less likely ,
Trials of SSRIs have shown *increased risk* of suicide, mania and aggression.
I'm not stigmatising people who take them btw.
They have also helped improve the conditions of a lot of people.
You've a **** understanding of antidepressants and antipsychotics. Instead of pulling figures out of your ass maybe think for a second, that people given these drugs are at risk of suicide and given these drugs to prevent it which might also be why there's a high degree of suicide in people that take them.
You'd need to do 30 or 40 of them. If you just do the federal one, any laws passed will be unlikely to have teeth if nobody's going to enforce them.
Surprising that the media got this one right.....for a change.
Wow ....your logic is broken
He claimed 4 people where in involved in 2000 shootings , hence the 0.2 % but if where 4 people where involved in just 240 shooting guess what happens ,
Logically any unsolved shooting could be trans too - anyway aren't they supposed to be the same as everyone? Isn't that the whole point?
The mind boggles.
If:
'none of the gang/crimes related to mass shooting are committed by the trans population'
then by that logic, we in fact need more trans people to help bring that 88% mass shooting gang and crime statistic down.😁
Over two thirds of mass shootings in the USA are gang & crime related some say up to 88 % of them ,If you look into them next to none of the gang/crimes related mass shooting are committed by the Trans population ,
So the 2000 number falls drastically
Also the 4 i mentioned where in the last 5 months not that last 3 years ,
So your numbers fall drastically again , Seems like people will continue to bury there heads in the sands,
Mental illness is a huge issues with these incidents
Unsurprisingly actual mental health professionals don't agree with your assessment on genders.
Giving your count the benefit of the doubt, there have been more than 2000 mass shootings in the US since 2020. If 4 of them were perpetrated by trans people that would be 0.2% of the shootings. Best estimates are that between 0.5% and 2% of the population is trans. Which would mean that trans shooters are underrepresented.
Of course the reality is that trans people are MUCH more likely to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it.
Why is this dude being misgendered in the liberal press? They keep referring to the shooter as a “her” and “assigned female at birth”. Should they just not be calling the shooter “he” or “male” or “man” etc. Very peculiar
For decades you could by a firearm, including actual weapons of war that were used on the battlefield of WW2 and Korea and Vietnam via mail order or with cash and no ID in USA - what changed in the last few decades as there were almost no mass shootings in the past.
It's mental health, demographics (look who does the most mass shootings), culture in US. Guns were there before with no issue.
Also if you want to ban guns, do, get a constitutional amendment, it's quite clear on how to proceed.
Nobody has called antidepressants and antipsychotics the culprit as such.
People like me have just asked for this to be investigated, and no one will investigate it.
These drugs alter your brain chemistry and have been known to trigger suicides. It is obvious they deserve scrutiny and we should be trying to find out whether they play a role in violent attacks. (Recreational narcotics also)
To people on this thread:
Be honest, do you even want to know what is behind these massacres really?
Or do you just want to be a ditto-head for liberal opinion, which means agitating for banning guns in the USA?
Its people with mental illness with accessibility to guns ,
People say tongue in cheek to get a reaction There are 2 genders & loads of mental illness but those people won't be surprised to see a rise in school shooters with Gender identification situations
Recent mass School shooting in Colorado , Denver , Aberdeen & Nashville where all done by people with recent gender identification changes ,
Take into account how small that section of the population is in school % wise & you can see that is a massive issue that people will be afraid to speak about ,
@y0ssar1an22 do not post in this thread again
The "trans" issue is going to be the 2020s version of computer games, violent movies, anti depressants etc. It's the guns, each and every time, it's the guns.....
Can we please change the thread title? It has been confirmed at this stage that the police initially misgendered Hale and he identifies as a man. So if we're going to insist on bringing gender identity into this, he's a trans man, not a trans woman.
Nashville school shooter had seven guns hidden at parents' house https://jrnl.ie/6031696
Also, are people seriously trying to claim with a straight face that firearms are easily obtained in Ireland purely based on the number of dealers in business??? Please.
Are we now going to start threads on all mass shootings in america and name them based on the ethnicity/ gender identity of the shooter? Man this site is obsessed about trans people even if they represent such a small percentage of the population.
I think america has a culture problem of bad people willing to express their anger - frustration in killing other americands but not sure it should be classed as a mental health problem similar to those that commit spousal abuse or other crimes are not automatically classed as suffering from a mental illness.
America is a fucked up country.
Not surprised to see certain corners obsessed with the smallest of things.
Here's what Biden actually said about the shooting after warming up a room brought there and previously scheduled to be there for matters entirely unrelated to yesterday's shooting in Nashville. It was the Small Business Administration’s Women’s Business Summit.
