The mother knew she gave birth to a baby without medical help with the birth or through the pregnancy - a secret baby. That baby was taken away - I accept she may have been told that the baby was being given to a good family to adopt. However around the same time a newborn baby was found dead in the very county you live in. Surely this mother would think could this be my baby? She would have to be stupid not to join the dots - even if she was very young at the time, later in life surely she would reflect back at this time. This story wasnt low key and didnt go away quickly. The Kerry Babies story would come back into the news again and again over the years. I dont accept she couldnt have known or guessed what had happened her baby in 1984.
Ok so tell us, using the known facts, how "at least one parent knew what was going on"
What exactly is reported about the couple brought in for questioning that is not beyond the realms of possibility that it was 'a guard' ?
Again. We know almost all that happened with the murder. They are facts. We also know that at least one parent of the murdered child has been identified. We know that they stayed silent for nearly half a century. Cant believe anyone thinks at least one parent isnt involved here.
In light of DNA hunts, I had to smirk at this headline.
The sibling who gave up their DNA was under 40, so it would appear the Gardaí had decided that rather than look for the DNA of the actual parents to instead focus on the familial match route. Perhaps they thought the younger generation would be more forthcoming.
It appears the DNA was given up by a sibling of Baby John. Report says sibling so I'd assume full sibling rather than half sibling.
It would be some shock to offer your DNA only to find it implicated your own parents,(unless of course someone decided it was time to do the right thing)
As a young single mum in 1975 Dublin, I can testify to church holding huge control. Ostracised by family, attempted bullying by clergy and much more. Lots of support so long as you were prepared to have your baby adopted quietly.
Really Fr
You sound like Gerry O Carroll with that statement
Maybe not 'the guards', but given what's being reported about the couple brought in for questioning, not beyond the realms of possibility that it was, 'a guard'.
Yep, my mother was churched in 66 after the birth of my older brother. Had to go up to the top of the church at 11 mass to be cleansed of the sin of having given birth to him. By the time I came along it was no longer a thing.
Jesus, it's a serial killer now and 80s Ireland was just swell for pregnant single women.
Theres a certain frenzy in the method of killing used, similar to the Dalkey house of horrors case where again the newborn was repeatedly stabbed. I imagine it wasnt the first time the murderer of Baby John inflicted violence.
Arf, arf.😂
The creative writing forum is -------> that way, dude.
They may have been fearful of the reaction from their own families rather than society at large. Those of us who were young in the eighties would scarcely have batted an eyelid about pregnancy out of wedlock or single mothers. Irish society back then was mostly tolerant and sympathetic to the women who found themselves in these situations. The Catholic Church would have been regarded with the same amount of contempt and indifference as it is today. Admittedly, things could have been different for those living in small rural communities
Possibly
I'm married to a woman born in a mother and baby home.
Just the other day we renewed passports for all the family. She says she still feels shame when having to submit her birth cert, it marks her out as adopted. Of course I think that's nothing to be ashamed of and I tell her this, but she still feels that way.
So... talk to me again about the testimony of women involved, lad.
No idea why you quoted me I replied to a poster who said they would not believe what will be said. That is a preconceived notion that what they believe now I true and will not seek too see if it is true.
For some reason you have a set on people who think different as if we don't care. I do care a baby way cruelly tortured and killed and I want the right justice and done right this time. Not some aimless gossip. We know nothing at this moment for sure whatever is in the media or not
This is a current affairs discussion board, what else do ye expect to see here other than people discuss the issues of the day?
Ah so you have the "truth" already in your head and nothing will change your mind. If this terrible case should make everyone realise is that is one thing that should not happen
You are presuming so. The mother could have been a child who was told that the baby died and never doubted what she was told. The baby's father may be dead.
You simply don't know what happened and are making up a story to suit!
Kinda like O'Carroll and his fellow gardai!
I don't know what happened and I'm not going to guess. I'm happy to wait for more facts before I jump to conclusions.
Have had these two books for years.
What is all over the media no where do I see it as simple as you claim. But if its all over the media that's justice I suppose
The guards stabbed the baby 28 times, broke it's neck and threw it in the sea?
So the mother had a kid, it was taken off her, and ~5 days later a body is found, same sex and ~5 days old, 28 stab wounds later. You really believe she didn't join the dots?
I think we can all agree the murder of baby John was heinous and just pure evil, the murderer I hope is brought to justice, I am just so perplexed how he was abandoned or given up and nought thought about after at any stage by the parent(s) even never questioning a dead baby in their area
The moral pontificating is making me hope this case goes cold and stays that way. If ye want justice the guards who started this **** show should be charged before before it can go in any positive direction.
It's all over the media.
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