Yeah, my ma was married but thankfully was never one to be talked down to. My mother was asked by the priest if she wanted to be "cleansed". She asked the eejit why given that she hadn't done anything that required it!
Not even sure if the ritual was offered to the unmarried harlots who got pregnant.
You could start here...
Many churches had it, with some calling it "Purification".
If there is one thing this entire case should show us is that it is not safe to make assumptions!
Can you quote a few examples of this venom in this thread please.
Yep knew the first the second is to be established unless you know something the Gardai do not or not telling us but in relation to the post I quoted go back and read the 2 lines
Why break a newborns neck and stab it 28 times? Thats what most of us cant understand or forgive.
Could be that simple but how about we let the facts be found out and see who is responsible and not tar and feather just yet
I wouldnt be trusting a word that people like them say. We'll possibly never know the full story but thankfully ignorance and denial wont be a defence.
Imagine the pain that newborn went true.
Grace
Aras Attracta.
The Athlone birthday party.
Direct Provision.
Nothing has really changed.
Wow. another stick to best women with.
And we know that at least one parent knew what was going on and sat back and watched for nearly a half a century as someone else almost took the fall for their crime.
Again, you're making massive assumptions about the involvement of the parents. You know nothing about what happened so shut up and stop letting your imagination go into hyperdrive!
There absolutely was forced adoption, there are any number of first-person accounts of this happening. Forged signatures on adoption forms, the first adoption form being treated as final when legally there had to be a second consent at six months. The church apologists never stop in their attempts to twist facts and deny history.
One if them at least is an accomplice at the very minimum.
It's all over the media.
The moral pontificating is making me hope this case goes cold and stays that way. If ye want justice the guards who started this **** show should be charged before before it can go in any positive direction.
I think we can all agree the murder of baby John was heinous and just pure evil, the murderer I hope is brought to justice, I am just so perplexed how he was abandoned or given up and nought thought about after at any stage by the parent(s) even never questioning a dead baby in their area
So the mother had a kid, it was taken off her, and ~5 days later a body is found, same sex and ~5 days old, 28 stab wounds later. You really believe she didn't join the dots?
The guards stabbed the baby 28 times, broke it's neck and threw it in the sea?
What is all over the media no where do I see it as simple as you claim. But if its all over the media that's justice I suppose
Have had these two books for years.
You are presuming so. The mother could have been a child who was told that the baby died and never doubted what she was told. The baby's father may be dead.
You simply don't know what happened and are making up a story to suit!
Kinda like O'Carroll and his fellow gardai!
I don't know what happened and I'm not going to guess. I'm happy to wait for more facts before I jump to conclusions.
Ah so you have the "truth" already in your head and nothing will change your mind. If this terrible case should make everyone realise is that is one thing that should not happen
This is a current affairs discussion board, what else do ye expect to see here other than people discuss the issues of the day?
No idea why you quoted me I replied to a poster who said they would not believe what will be said. That is a preconceived notion that what they believe now I true and will not seek too see if it is true.
For some reason you have a set on people who think different as if we don't care. I do care a baby way cruelly tortured and killed and I want the right justice and done right this time. Not some aimless gossip. We know nothing at this moment for sure whatever is in the media or not
I'm married to a woman born in a mother and baby home.
Just the other day we renewed passports for all the family. She says she still feels shame when having to submit her birth cert, it marks her out as adopted. Of course I think that's nothing to be ashamed of and I tell her this, but she still feels that way.
So... talk to me again about the testimony of women involved, lad.
Possibly
They may have been fearful of the reaction from their own families rather than society at large. Those of us who were young in the eighties would scarcely have batted an eyelid about pregnancy out of wedlock or single mothers. Irish society back then was mostly tolerant and sympathetic to the women who found themselves in these situations. The Catholic Church would have been regarded with the same amount of contempt and indifference as it is today. Admittedly, things could have been different for those living in small rural communities
The creative writing forum is -------> that way, dude.
Arf, arf.😂
Theres a certain frenzy in the method of killing used, similar to the Dalkey house of horrors case where again the newborn was repeatedly stabbed. I imagine it wasnt the first time the murderer of Baby John inflicted violence.
Jesus, it's a serial killer now and 80s Ireland was just swell for pregnant single women.
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