If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
But they do have a fairly decent size population here who are wholly loyal to putin and the Kremlin,and are happily supporting the war in Ukraine,and I'm sure they would be more than happy to cause any disruption they can here , knowing that they are untouchable for most part, what are we going to do deport them.
That's not going to be prevented by joining NATO though. You're on about sabotage and terrorism by undetected hostile forces, not an invasion... And why do that kind of attack on Ireland when there is a multitude of other bigger targets to hit, and if those targets are in NATO or not makes not difference to the effectiveness of some sabotage. Everywhere is just as vulnerable, and they are vulnerable without any Russians needing to leave their basement Internet connection.
And Russia don't need to use military forces to cause that disruption to Ireland.
And how did that Japanese "invasion" get on? Did they manage to hold Hawaii for any length of time, or was it an attack for the purpose of taking out the opposing military force with zero aim to actually take territory? How did the US, who were not short of supplies, get on with responding across an ocean? Was that a simple task or did it take ages of having to clear out each hostile island along the way back to Japan?
Threat of nuclear collateral damage, industrial sabotage and using social media to create civil unrest.
You don't need an army just a sympathetic local politician or two. I'll leave it at that. ;)
I never said there was no historical examples. I asked to hear one as it is very rare. Btw germany and Denmark border each and norway is close proximity and there was an easy supply chain line from germany to norway. This was ww2 before we had nukes.
Are you ok?
Apart from the threat of being Nuclear collateral damage and industrial sabotage they could infiltrate the social media space and encourage civil unrest over something like Ukrainian refugees.
We've been taking refugees from all over for a very long time but as soon as the Ukrainians turn up well organised and funded groups appear.
The Russians are **** with us already. It's time to fight back.
Not completely unprotected.
We may have a small military, but Russia also has relatively small marine invasion capabilities. And theyd be a long long way from home.
Ireland during the emergency managed to recruit about 40,000 men to the regular uniformed defense forces, and about 100,000 to the ldf local defense force. And also managed some light armament manufacturing.
Our population and capabilities since then have grown significantly.
So Russia invades Ireland just to mess about a bit and ruin the economy, bit of raping and pillaging... Then they leave?
That initial force will be on their own as they cannot be resupplied. Even if you think no other country will go to Irelands direct aid, they will not allow supply lines through by air or sea. So what do those mercenaries then do? They can't go any further as that is then NATO territory.
I like how the lads always ask, why would russia invade us, as if thats the only way Russia is going to **** with an unaligned, defenceless country where all the cross channel fibre cables come to land that alos has some of the most important hosting infrastructure in Europe.
You're thinking about this way too much. No, the Russians aren't going to randomly land in Ireland, a military neutral country, and start "raping and kidnapping kids". Ffs.
If you're so paranoid about Russia and enthusiastic to get involved, go over to Ukraine and fight. What's stopping you?
You came out with the quote countries are less likely to invade countries that they have historical relationship with. Shows you know sweet fxxk all about history
I wouldn't say that there is zero chance of Russia attacking Ireland, if NATO and Russia go to war we would be involved in one war or another. Still I agree we would be better off not joining NATO but we must improve our defence.
That is factually wrong. Throughout history countries invade other countries it has historical connections with. It is how ww2 started. Alot of the german nation was living in Poland so hitler annexed it. It is why China has an intrest in Taiwan. They use to be connected. It why russia has invadeded Georgia and Ukraine. We have no connection with russia.
Russia and nato could yet go to war. If we join nato we will increase are chances of going to war.
We should just stay neutral and not join nato. Zero chance of us being invaded by russia and wont be involved should nato and russia do go to war
U.N Peacekeeping missions. Completely different.
The only thing joining NATO will do for us is drain more funds, and put an active target on our back moving forward.
Remember, the Irish politicians pushing for this are only interested in cushy EU jobs after they're finished in the Dail. Them and their kids won't be going into any warzones. It will be you and yours sent to the meat grinder.
Exactly, when they could do any such attack to cripple Ireland remotely and wouldn't need to waste their navy or airforce on trying to get there without being shot down and sunk. The risk to Ireland from Russia is not military.
We didnt have to do anything, it was 2 days away, about as close to Brittanie as it was to us, hence why the French went out to keep an eye on them.
Why wouldn't the UK attack a Russian force invading Ireland?
The only potential reason Russia would be in Ireland is to subsequently attack the UK. It would be idiotic of the UK not to respond or to allow Russia to build up a force or leave the supply lines alone. There might be a five minute delay between Ireland asking for help and the UK saying OK, but likely the UK would already be responding anyway.
Do you think russia want to invade other countries with no historical attachment to just to flex it muscles at the world? What is their motive to come to Ireland.
What would Russias justification for invading Ireland be such that NATO would say "sure that's fine, I'm sure you aren't doing it to then attack us so we'll just sit around and watch whilst sending Ireland a few catapults to fight back with".
Of course Norway, UK, Iceland, Canada and the US would all fail to notice the mass of ships making their way out of Murmansk and wouldn't touch the lines of ships. This presumably only can happen during the summer as well.
Ireland pretty much is surrounded by NATO, and with the added benefits of big oceans. The only country which would be capable of launching an over sea invasion of anywhere is the US, and even then it would be very tricky to hold going past hostile other countries on the way. Russia didn't manage to take and hold that uninhabited island with a handful of Ukrainians positioned on it. And that is in Russias backyard with limited hostile navy's present.
There is no way Russia could supply an invading force. They can't fly in, they can't secure sea lanes, and there isn't anything worth trying to claim in Ireland anyway.
The risks to Ireland are cyber terrorism. Not invading Russians with guns.
Ant-Russian lol, away with ye to clare dalys facebuke page.
Russia hates NATO because it prevents Russia from **** with NATO members. Now is not not the time to be the only European country that Russia can **** with without having to go through NATO territory first
They have a big historical connection with the Ukraine. You do realise up untill 1991 Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country. You do realise about 30% of the Ukraine population are part of the Russian nation. We just dont have that connection. The only country we have any connection with like that is Britain.
Are you happy for your children to join the fight, or be conscripted to some other war in future?
Ireland is a militarily neutral country. Any attempts by politicians in this country to get us involved in NATO or wars that don't involve us = treason.
Anybody else who wants to go fight Russia in Ukraine is completely free to do so. They're actively recruiting. Leave our country and neutrality out of it, though.
Putin has been in for over 20 years. He annaxed part of Georgia in 2008 and Crimia in Ukraine in 2014. Both those places and the parts of ukraine annexed last year, the people are majority part of the Russian nation. There is no Russian nation of people living in Ireland.
Yeah but we helped uk alot during ww2.
Besides, if they hadnt robbed the place bare we might have been able to do it ourselves.
When Nord Stream 1 and 2 were taken out it was a crude warning of what Russia could do with transatlantic telecommunications cables.
Another direct threat to Ireland.
When the dust settled on this Russian disaster we need to properly defend our territory.
I dont know about the west Brit angle, but I suspect a crossover between the local 'pro-nato' types and the gun nutter demographic.
Call of duty players. War nerds.
So russia hates nato which is understandable as it was effectively set up as an anti Russian organisation. So their logic will be because we hate nato we will attack a non Nato neutral country that we have no historical connection with..... Keep smoking what ever you are lads.
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