If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
What would Russias justification for invading Ireland be such that NATO would say "sure that's fine, I'm sure you aren't doing it to then attack us so we'll just sit around and watch whilst sending Ireland a few catapults to fight back with".
Do you think russia want to invade other countries with no historical attachment to just to flex it muscles at the world? What is their motive to come to Ireland.
Why wouldn't the UK attack a Russian force invading Ireland?
The only potential reason Russia would be in Ireland is to subsequently attack the UK. It would be idiotic of the UK not to respond or to allow Russia to build up a force or leave the supply lines alone. There might be a five minute delay between Ireland asking for help and the UK saying OK, but likely the UK would already be responding anyway.
We didnt have to do anything, it was 2 days away, about as close to Brittanie as it was to us, hence why the French went out to keep an eye on them.
Exactly, when they could do any such attack to cripple Ireland remotely and wouldn't need to waste their navy or airforce on trying to get there without being shot down and sunk. The risk to Ireland from Russia is not military.
U.N Peacekeeping missions. Completely different.
The only thing joining NATO will do for us is drain more funds, and put an active target on our back moving forward.
Remember, the Irish politicians pushing for this are only interested in cushy EU jobs after they're finished in the Dail. Them and their kids won't be going into any warzones. It will be you and yours sent to the meat grinder.
That is factually wrong. Throughout history countries invade other countries it has historical connections with. It is how ww2 started. Alot of the german nation was living in Poland so hitler annexed it. It is why China has an intrest in Taiwan. They use to be connected. It why russia has invadeded Georgia and Ukraine. We have no connection with russia.
Russia and nato could yet go to war. If we join nato we will increase are chances of going to war.
We should just stay neutral and not join nato. Zero chance of us being invaded by russia and wont be involved should nato and russia do go to war
I wouldn't say that there is zero chance of Russia attacking Ireland, if NATO and Russia go to war we would be involved in one war or another. Still I agree we would be better off not joining NATO but we must improve our defence.
You came out with the quote countries are less likely to invade countries that they have historical relationship with. Shows you know sweet fxxk all about history
You're thinking about this way too much. No, the Russians aren't going to randomly land in Ireland, a military neutral country, and start "raping and kidnapping kids". Ffs.
If you're so paranoid about Russia and enthusiastic to get involved, go over to Ukraine and fight. What's stopping you?
I like how the lads always ask, why would russia invade us, as if thats the only way Russia is going to **** with an unaligned, defenceless country where all the cross channel fibre cables come to land that alos has some of the most important hosting infrastructure in Europe.
So Russia invades Ireland just to mess about a bit and ruin the economy, bit of raping and pillaging... Then they leave?
That initial force will be on their own as they cannot be resupplied. Even if you think no other country will go to Irelands direct aid, they will not allow supply lines through by air or sea. So what do those mercenaries then do? They can't go any further as that is then NATO territory.
Not completely unprotected.
We may have a small military, but Russia also has relatively small marine invasion capabilities. And theyd be a long long way from home.
Ireland during the emergency managed to recruit about 40,000 men to the regular uniformed defense forces, and about 100,000 to the ldf local defense force. And also managed some light armament manufacturing.
Our population and capabilities since then have grown significantly.
Apart from the threat of being Nuclear collateral damage and industrial sabotage they could infiltrate the social media space and encourage civil unrest over something like Ukrainian refugees.
We've been taking refugees from all over for a very long time but as soon as the Ukrainians turn up well organised and funded groups appear.
The Russians are **** with us already. It's time to fight back.
Are you ok?
I never said there was no historical examples. I asked to hear one as it is very rare. Btw germany and Denmark border each and norway is close proximity and there was an easy supply chain line from germany to norway. This was ww2 before we had nukes.
Threat of nuclear collateral damage, industrial sabotage and using social media to create civil unrest.
You don't need an army just a sympathetic local politician or two. I'll leave it at that. ;)
And how did that Japanese "invasion" get on? Did they manage to hold Hawaii for any length of time, or was it an attack for the purpose of taking out the opposing military force with zero aim to actually take territory? How did the US, who were not short of supplies, get on with responding across an ocean? Was that a simple task or did it take ages of having to clear out each hostile island along the way back to Japan?
And Russia don't need to use military forces to cause that disruption to Ireland.
That's not going to be prevented by joining NATO though. You're on about sabotage and terrorism by undetected hostile forces, not an invasion... And why do that kind of attack on Ireland when there is a multitude of other bigger targets to hit, and if those targets are in NATO or not makes not difference to the effectiveness of some sabotage. Everywhere is just as vulnerable, and they are vulnerable without any Russians needing to leave their basement Internet connection.
But they do have a fairly decent size population here who are wholly loyal to putin and the Kremlin,and are happily supporting the war in Ukraine,and I'm sure they would be more than happy to cause any disruption they can here , knowing that they are untouchable for most part, what are we going to do deport them.
This is all fantasy. Youre in lala land. Your narrative is that we've absolutely no protection whatsoever and so Russia is therefore going to come and rape everyone.
We are in EU common defense.
The EU has moved mountains for a non member.
Any attack on an EU member would mean the EU would have a very public obligation to either (a) prove itself, or (b) cease to exist as an entity.
As such I believe the response would be a full EU chimpout in Ukraine, Transnistria, and Kaliningrad. To begin.
What?
Look this is ridiculous. Long before arrival the defense forces would have received intelligence.
And i know ill get a lot of derogatory sneering about the lack of equipment, but even on our own, Russian mercenaries arent going very far without a fight. Theyd have a smaller force than ours and would have to land under fire.
Im sure whatever was going on at the time was probably a bit more complicated than some sensational headline.
Yes. A quick search and
"Ukraine alone should decide whether or not to accept any territorial concessions towards Russia in view of ending the war, French President Emmanuel Macron told TF1 television in an interview as he visited Kyiv.
"This is up to Ukraine to decide," Macron said when asked what concessions, including on its territory, Ukraine should accept, adding: "I think it is our duty to stand by our values, by international law and thus by Ukraine."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/frances-macron-says-up-ukraine-decide-potential-territorial-concessions-2022-06-16/
Artillery. Optics.
They cant get 30,000 mercenaries here.
At least not at once.
Your posts are all screeching and no actual relevant information.
Red scare nonsense.
U.S is the main shot caller in nato, and as a country is undeniably batsht crazy this last decade.
Electing a megalomaniac and then a doddery old coot. Just to get at each other. A population influenced by Tucker Carlson and Kardashians. Lets not tie ourselves to that madness. Dont know wtf theyre going to do next. Theyre already on the brink of civil war. And nato has rivalries within itself too, see Greece and Turkey. Just no.
We may be In the eu common defense but we are the laughing stock when it comes to Defense and a lot of other countries have been publicly pointing this out ,at this stage we might have to actually spend and invest in our own defense I don't think anyone else is coming to protect us
Dont see how signing away our neutrality to nato is the answer.
Our current military would not be able to repel any small well equipped force (4,000 to 10,000). There are also by some figures around 5,000 Russians already in Ireland.
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