Yes it may be that DNA points to just one of the two arrested. It’s possible that both were blissfully unaware of the relationship to Baby John. I have a feeling this is how it’s going to pan out. And the actual mother will remain unknown.
I remember older relatives talking about that, I had completely forgotten about it until I read your post.
What went on is bizarre.
Yes he must like the limelight
Has he said they are the parents as the media seem to be saying they are
If you didn’t live back then you would have no idea of the secrecy surrounding babies born to single girls. It’s possible the father of the baby never even knew she was pregnant. One night stands with drink involved would have been common. A girl might not have (or want to have) a relationship with the man. Many’s the man found out through DNA that he had a child he never knew about.
Just watching virgin media news. The solicitor is very vocal allright.
In which case can you imagine the shock and consternation in that family with all this unfolding now.
There may have been no "wider family" involved covering up the tragedy, just a girl alone giving birth in a field like Joann Hayes or by a grotto like Anne Lovett. Post partum psychosis was as prevalent then as now but less understood.
Is it correct that they're not obliged to incriminate themselves or provide DNA ?
So essentially the gardai have nothing unless someone talks ?
Im assuming DNA from bins is inadmissible
I read a report that the tipoff came from the relative whose DNA was found in the trawl , could also be that someone has talked
In fairness, it wasn't the only dead baby dumped in a bag in Kerry that year. Unless you want to repeat the mistake the Gardaí made.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there are other babies who met the same fate. Baby John’s story is out there because his body washed up on the beach but there are probably other infant bodies that will never be found.
A bin on a street isn't private property to my knowledge so gardai are free to take whatever DNA from it that they wish. It doesn't necessarily mean that the source of the DNA lives in the house (could have been a guest or a passer by that threw something in the bin). So whilst the DNA from the bin might be admissable, it doesn't actually tell you who "owns" it. For this, you need to do a DNA test where you know who the sample is coming from. This, as I understand it, is why the couple were arrested the other day.
As for a tipoff from a relative, I'd say that the results of the 400 or so DNA samples taken from the general area were the tipoff as they provided a genetic target - e.g. baby John is related to samples #26, 159 and 472. Using that, you could do a genealogical match and Bob's your uncle (excuse the pun but it suits the DNA discussion!!!)
Meant to reply to this earlier: is it just me that thought this could be Enoch Burke dressed up as a garda?
The DNA testing was done and they've been prioritised.
I had the same thought earlier.
It can't be Enoch, he doesn't have his satchel. 😂
From my reading of what the media / solicitor are saying, it sounds like both parents is the expected outcome.
Very true.
The couple decided to allow Joanne Hayes and her family take the full brunt of accusation while they sat in the shadows.
This went on for years.
Shame on them for that alone.
I'm not going to defend them doing what you've described above (if that's what happened) but remember that this got national attention. Hayes was put through hell by the thugs in the garda murder squad and then by the subsequent tribunal. I think Joanne held the Irish record for the longest time someone was made testify and it was various accusatory questions in terms of her relationship, her sex life, etc. This is all after having lost a baby and not having the opportunity to mourn it.
Hypothetically, would you have made the decision to come forwards?
Did I read here that Joanna Hayes was cleared by her blood type?
How could have that have taken so long if correct
It wasn't a trial though. Ostensibly it was a tribunal to investigate the actions of the gardai involved in the case. All charges against Joanne and her family were dropped.
It didn't take too long. It was the tribunal into the incompetent lying thugs garda murder squad who framed her that took time. Even now, some of those incompetent lying thugs garda murder squad still claim that she did it.
Would not be very smart to say that
Sweet Jebus how long did you think yes its okay to write those first 2 sentences. We know nothing yet or even if she is the mother what she knew of the murder
The DNA test will show if they're Baby John's parents so no point denying it, they might not have killed their own son. Until we know if they're the parents, and there's enough evidence to charge them with murder it's all just speculation.
Not according to this Times report, it may be just the one.
If the match/s came from relatives then finding Familial matches to both would be a stretch.
From The Times article ;
"Using a new DNA technology called next-generation sequencing, scientists can now obtain DNA matches even if the samples are not from immediate relatives and it is believed that it was this technology that enabled FSI scientists to get a DNA match for Baby John.
This in turn led gardaí to focus their inquiries on relatives of the person who gave the voluntary match, which in turn led them to the two people they arrested, believing that one of them may be related to Baby John."
I am not sure was it the film or the documentary the head detective even though transferred would go to the beach any chance he could hoping to find evidence to vindicate himself
The murder squad concocted another story at this stage that Joanne Hayes had sex with 2 men within an hour and had twins .Jermiah locke was the father of the baby found in Abbeydorney farm and this second man was the father of the Caherciveen baby .They did everything possible to nail her .Joanne Hayes was also sucessfullu sued for slander after when she wrote about her ordeal by detective Jerry O carroll of the murder squad .You just could not make up this shlt
They are a couple, and have been since the crime. Maybe they arent the parents. Theres a very slim chance of them not being the parents i believe.
Broken neck and 28 stabbings and thrown away like rubbish. Then silence for almost half a century. There sir, is a crime, and a disgusting one at that. Not to mention staying silent all these years.
Well there you go.
I've absolutely no problem starting a rumor that Enoch Burke was seen standing outside the house.
Sure everyone in Kerry knows already that he was.
That's interesting.
In the case that it's the father, it is possible he knows very little
Although below is from the Sunday World, which points at the mother.
The woman, identified by a familial DNA sample as the ‘probable’ mother of ‘Baby John,’ is the daughter of a deceased garda who passed away a number of years prior to the infant’s murder in 1984.
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