Solicitor seems to be accepting they are the parents.
So if they didn't murder him fair enough, but will they come forward now, claim the child as their own and take ownership of his grave?
It sounds like everybody in the area knows who they are now anyway.
Don't think there's anything new there?
What about the locks in the Listowel station?
The man and woman are understood to be a couple with adult children and they never thought about baby John no matter the circumstances of the birth in all these years
You'd wonder what brought that couple to the attention of the investigators in the first place, they hardly searched all the bins in the area.
Modern DNA profiling can place a link to you via relatives. An area like that would still have a lot of related people.
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Amazing and shameful.
If they are the parents why not just come forward at this stage. The big question then is if they didn't murder the baby then who did.
Would they want the publicity if they haven't been charged
Everybody seems to know who they are anyway.
Sorry but what was the logic for the locks being changed ?
I think they have probably waived any right to anonymity when their baby washed up on a beach after being stabbed 28 times. Also they stood back and watched a woman being destroyed. There are questions to answer.
Rte mentioned something about one of the stations
Seemed like there was extra precautions being taken in this case
I can back this up. The names are circulating widely in Kerry
We'd all like it solved, but they have the right to 'no comment' in reply to any question. nobody can forced to incriminate themselves.
The Garda grandfather had died years before this happened, and was not involved
I posted yesterday how exactly they were tracked down and had to remove it until its been released in full.
Everyone in my family knows who they are too and hardly any of us still live in the country even, or the province for that matter. Cant see how its much of a secret in the neighborhood at this point. Id say yould be hard pressed to find anyone who didnt know down there today.
If they are the parents through DNA theres no incriminating to be done.
And if they didn't murder their child they certainly know something about it.
Im not local to the area myself so nothing of this couple - 2 questions for you?
Were you shocked that this couple were involved?
Did the locals have any inkling at the time that this couple could be the parents?
She and a number of other members of her family (all female I believe) confessed to the killing which was shown to be preposterous. Ultimately it to the state 35 years to attempt recompense and €2.5m was paid. Given the State’s lengthy attempts to deny liability or provide compensation in other arenas, Do you think that there is any reasonable case to be made that any of the Hayes family had any involvement whatsoever? This is not one of those reasonable suspicion positions, there was never any evidence whatsoever of a connection with Baby Iohn other than that confected by certain gardai. One of those gardai is now saying it could all have been resolved if they allowed Joanne Hayes to show where she had left her child’s body. Ultimately it was found a few feet from where she stated it was.
What defence could they possibly have for keeping quiet all these years? If they are the true parents of John well then their past has caught up on them and they now are condemned in the court of public opinion. But were they aided and abetted in keeping this quiet and allowing the finger to be pointed elsewhere? Was there something rotten in the administration of policing at the time. Clarity should be brought to bear and a proper tribunal constituted to get at the truth.
Paud o Connell (their solicitor) on Newstalk just now, bullishly predicting their exoneration..
It's like he's trying to rush the Gardai into mistakes by pressing for a DPP decision.
Mr Funny in court, - trying to raise his own profile before the barristers get involved and he fades into the background as a messenger boy.
According to the examiner their house is a crime scene and they are staying with somebody else.
Absolutely no hiding who they are now.
The local gossip mongers must be in meltdown mode this week.
Not at all strange that people would be forced to confess to crimes not committed. Ireland at that time was a very different place. The Church and state worked as one. The archbishops and clergy held huge power. Elections won and lost at church gates. The garda heavy gang was fact.
Well, I live here in Kerry and I haven't heard a word.
It was in the media that the couple were pointed to by relatives who came up in a DNA trawl
I imagine everybody is shocked because nobody knew it was them at all for all these years. I myself didnt know them at all.
The question about how they got them ..... It was very clever actually but i was asked to remove the full detail.
Lets just say if you had my DNA and then you asked for everyone around me for DNA to test, you could tell who was my brother, sister, half brother, aunt, uncle, cousins. Then you could "find" dna of the people you deduced were my parents, just to make sure you were 100% sure of what you had deduced.
After that you bring in your suspects of who are my parents and ask them to tell their side of the story and would they ever be so kind as to provide a DNA sample, because somehow they dodged giving their DNA before. Then you say, off you go home know and wait for the real knock on the door.
And as a person who lives in Kerry and has family members living in the general area of Cahirsiveen I'll say their names are not circulating widely in Kerry.
No body that I have talked to about the arrests has volunteered their names.
One person volunteered that they were actually living in another town not Cahirsiveen.
Then again maybe I'm not the right person to be commenting, I'm not actively going around trying to find out who they are.
You must be seriously out of the loop :) Im in Dublin, havent been to Kerry since the summer before last, and I have whatsapps from friends with the names, where they went to school. Who their relatives are and even pictures of the gardai standing guard outside their house. Its far from a secret now.
You make it sound like a spy story
It was reported they got the close match after the DNA trawl
It's not complicated after that
If the house is a crime scene then it’s no secret anymore. Where were they living in 1983/4?
Aren't they just grand people to be wattapping all that info around fir people's amusement. How do they get their info?
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