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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    And now Russia with NATO on its door doorstep has taken action to protect itself.

    As we have seen with North Korea nuclear weapons are a worthy detterent .

    There are at least 100 US nuclear weapons spread out across Europe in bunkers in Poland, Belgium etc.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “And now Russia with NATO on its door doorstep has taken action to protect itself.”

    Now being after the Muscovites invaded Ukraine… and only then if you ignore Kaliningrad.

    As for that shít hole NK, when was it attacked pre having nuclear weapons! It wasn’t. kimmy is dying for Western attention, as is mostly ignored. It kills him.

    But, if it looks like it will actually threaten the West he will be taken out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Very true. I couldn't imagine trundling away at 80kts at 1800ft agl within 10nm of Ireland West, completely oblivious to incoming commercial traffic on the ILS..



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Norway has had a border with Russia since NATO was founded and it has been a member since then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    China coming out looking Very bad in this. How can you propose a peace plan for the biggest war since ww2 and then not even answer the phone to one side after personally meeting with the other.

    Zelensky called his bluff and showed their real motives with this. The Chinese have turned into a horrible bunch of lads.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And what do you think Saddam Hussein was doing with his Bathist party to keep the Iraqis in line??? Same as Assads father was doing in Syria, when Assads Father Hafez, pounded the city of Hama in 1982 with heavy artillery for 5 days, then moved bulldozers in to level the remains. He killed 20'000 Syrians, and to this day, it remains the single biggest massacre in Syrian history. Saddam and the Ayatollah Khomeini killed more than 500'000 Iranian / Iraqi soldiers in their little spiff, and many more civilians. I have Iraqi friends, and to this day what the have to say about Saddam is unprintable. He ( like Iran)had his secret police, and their "interrogation" methods do not bear thinking about. Monsters, just like Putins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    No. Most people believe that one country invading another country is simply wrong, regardless of who it is who is doing the invading. it was wrong in 2003 and it's wrong now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Yeah, keep injecting the copium. Russia’s actions encourage countries to join NATO for their own safety. All of this, they is…EVERYTHING, is Russias doing. But you keep on feeding off the Russian drug. Bet you wouldn’t want to live there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,405 ✭✭✭Field east


    He will have to now go further since he- Putin , has managed to the NATO border with Moscovy and has also awakened up NATO as to how big a threat Moscovy really poses to the west given his attack on Ukr.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    Copium and Russia drug injection!


    Come here what are you on about?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    You're right, enough deflecting.

    Let's get back to talking about how the war is turning more and more in Ukraine's favour at the moment!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It would be one thing if Ukraine stood to become the only NATO country on Russia's border, but that ship has long since sailed. In fact, if this war is truly an effort to prevent Ukraine joining NATO, then it has spectacularly backfired. The Finland-Russia border runs over 800 miles. That is in addition to the Norway border and the Baltics' borders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,700 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You don't have a clue what you're talking about and are seriously misinformed by Russian propaganda.

    There aren't US nuclear weapons based in Poland. The last nuclear weapons in Poland were Soviet.

    What weapons systems and bases NATO can place in Poland (or Ukraine if it joined) is covered by the NATO-Russia Founding Act.

    In invading Ukraine and putting nuclear weapons in Belarus Russia has violated this treaty, and NATO would therefore be fully entitled to respond by putting similar weapons systems in Poland etc, but they have not done so.

    Have you forgotten Ukraine signed the Budapest Treaty to remove nuclear weapons from its soil and was honouring that treaty until Russia repeatedly violated it?

    We can also see how Russia has stripped forces from NATO borders to send to Ukraine. Russia is not actually concerned about a NATO attack.

    If Russia was concerned about NATO nukes on its doorstep, all it had to do was abide by the NATO-Russia Founding Act and Budapest agreement.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭BoxcarWilliam99


    The US also has an estimated 100 nuclear warheads stored across Europe on air bases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey, according to the Centre for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation.13 Oct 2022

    These are only the ones known about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,700 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So why last time did you mention Poland? You were just wrong or misinformed? Or just duped into spreading a lie?

    In your list, Poland isn't there. Or any other of the former Soviet \ Warsaw Pact nations which joined NATO.

    This is all covered in the NATO-Russia Founding Act, and yet Russia violates this treaty and pretends to be concerned about NATO expansion.

    If you are alleging otherwise with weasel words like 'known about' this is just scurrilous Russian propaganda without evidence.

    We can see by your complete inability to challenge the points made about the Founding Act and Budapest that your argument hasn't a leg to stand on.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @odyssey06

    In invading Ukraine and putting nuclear weapons in Belarus Russia has violated this treaty, and NATO would therefore be fully entitled to respond by putting similar weapons systems in Poland etc, but they have not done so.

    Was that agreement not suspended in the wake of Russia's annexation of Crimea?

    In any case, there is no evidence to say that NATO has nukes anywhere as near to Russian borders as vice-versa. The nuclear weapons stored in Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Greece and Turkey are supposed to only be gravity bomb stockpiles, not ballistic missiles.

    There may be nuclear missiles pointed at Russia, but the evidence would suggest they're ICBMs stationed in silos within the continental USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Emblematic




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It has to be ceremonial. No battery, even of WW2 kit, would have 'one of each'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,700 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No, it wasn't suspended by NATO following Crimea even though that was a violation.

    The Founding Act contained two key assurances to show that NATO enlargement posed no military threat to Russia. First, NATO members reiterated that they had “no intention, no plan and no reason to deploy nuclear weapons on the territory of new members” (the “three no’s”). Second, the Alliance stated that “in the current and foreseeable security environment,” NATO defense did not require the “additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces” in new members.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are low yield gravity bombs,not missiles like Iskander, that Belarus is getting and also su24 fitted for carrying nuclear bombs and cruisemissiles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    One interesting thing is that Ukrainian drones are hitting targets deep within Russia. On the one hand, Russia deserves (as a state, at least) to have the war brought home to it in some way, but on the other hand, it gives them easy propaganda fodder and more motivation for Russian recruits to go fight. I hope Ukraine has weighed up these considerations when deciding to use the tactic.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Think its better to stay within Ukraines borders and dont fuel the kremlin agenda any further,but only attack military targets in Russia of importance.

    Once civilians are being targeted in Russia,its game over,and thats the excuse Putin needs right now.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like Ukraines Drone force is getting mobilized,and Russians are getting nervous




  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ukrianian trench overrun,they fight til the last man,calls in artillery on their own position

    Then armoured support arrives

    Another failed Russian attack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Sorry if i missed it, i am guessing some of the new tanks are in action by now, any reports on how effective they are proving?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    A now deleted post (because it belonged to a now blocked re-reg putin-bot), contained a rather embarrassing attempt to make a text look like native English but was clearly written in another language and then possibly Google-translated.

    They tend to either have more English literate posters, or better quality scripts to copy/paste. Their last attempt had a noticeable dip in quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,189 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Much said about the very old T54/55 tanks being made ready by Russia. Of course they are no match for a Leopard 2 or similar but they would still be useful as armoured mobile artillery. It might also be that China will supply plenty of the 100mm shells they still have fro their versions?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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