Read the t&Cs today and did the calculation, comparing it with the combined bdgp and beep-s payment that it replaces.
If you do get clarification you might post it here, I’m of the same thinking. Be so handy than to be gathering them in from the field in the summer and running them through the crush. Thanks
Surely if they are genotyped in an official DAFM approved laboratory then they are genotyped.
Not sure tbh, That's the question I have for my advisor this week. I've 2 genotyped this year already so was hoping I could do it when I'm dehorning them over the next few of weeks.
If you do it yourself now, will that cover you for the upcoming scheme? I was thinking of doing them when they were small before they go out.
22e. I've done few myself recently
If you haven't entered any of the suckler schemes in the past and don't intend entering this one how much does it cost to get cattle genotyped. Do ICBF offer the service without being in a scheme?
The figures moved very little for me anyway, some moved from a two to a three or a three to a four if they were on the borderline but very little movement other than that.
Did the star system move much over bdgb? As things stand now 75% of mine are 4-5 stars but only a handful are genotyped. That's my worry with it that they'll move. Rather breed my own stars that panic buying to meet scheme
Merely pointing out that throwing money at a suckler scheme doesn't mean you have to stay at sucklers
I've sucklers myself but switching systems as the cow costs are excessive
I've looked at the scheme & tbh it's v restrictive with no real option to exit b4 scheme ends
Would suit someone who is committed to pedigree breeding as you'd meet the star ratings easily anyway
Yeah that sounds reasonable
The alternative is not to do sucklers
It's going to be very difficult for everyone that joins to have 75% either 4 or 5 star by the end of the scheme. It means that 3/4s of the cows in the scheme have to be in the top 40% of the cows in the country. Not sure if that's possible really. The more frustrating part is the method of star calculation is flawed. Will likely join anyway and if the stars fall in place correctly well and good, if not will deal with the consequences.
After September? No grass? That tight on shed space to keep a few calves a month or two longer.
Its hard to keep us farmers happy anyway 😀😀 . And hard to turn a bob suckling without turning down free money.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong. In fact it's only for surveys which is 10% of payment, not the 20 I said earlier. Under 80% submitted , no payment and penalty for that bit. Surveys are on calves over 5 months
You mean less than 80% being 4 or 5 star possibly.
Lose a cow? Bill to be paid?
Yeah I don't how anyone would have to get rid of calves so soon, the argument doesn't make much sense.
Just doesn't suit my system to keep them after September. Fair enough, my setup is unusual .
If suckling why would you be weaning and selling the calves at 4 months? It’s not like you are summer grazing and have to get rid.
5 months there for a reason. Very skimpy calf coming off the cow at 4 months
Ya on the terms and conditions it says u lose the payment for that element (20% of scheme) plus 10% penalty. That's if you comply with less than 80% of that requirement . That's what I understand from the document but open to correction
I'm not sure that's entirely correct, if the calves under 5 months don't qualify you just won't get paid for them. I don't see how someone could get penalized as well for that, I could be wrong though.
It a free money. And a couple of hoops. And the idea that you need 30 cows to make it worthwhile is not accurate IMO.
slightly off topic but I have a 5 star replacement heifer in calf for end of year. Highest replacement index on farm I think.
Mastitis. No idea how long she has it but I suspect 1 spin will be gone. Randomly felt her udder by accident thinking she was a different cow from behind. Very disappointing.
But there simply isn't any alternative. The money has to be made somehow from the other schemes that are ending.
Definitely would want north of 30 cows to make it worthwhile.
If u look at someone with 10 calves, and have to sell weanlings in Sept or oct. say 3 calves born late and can't meet the 5 month requirement. No payment of 20% or 300 euro for no compliance, plus 10% or 150 of a penalty. Plus 50 euro to rent a scales. Plus 250 euro to genotype. So your 1500 payment is down to 750, that's a small amount of money for all the work involved , in my opinion. Plus take a day off work for training.
So if cattle go down in stars but were 4 star or 5 star when genotyped you are ok?
22 euros each on ICBF did it before privately, hair sample if you test privatley
From Ts & Cs.
"Applicants are required to ensure that by the 31st October 2023 at least 50% of their yearly reference number are eligible females that are genotyped 4 or 5 stars on the replacement index (on a within breed or on across breed basis) at the time of purchase (for replacements brought into the herd) or at the time of genotyping (for those replacements bred within the herd)."
Does that disqualify non genotyped animals bought in and then genotyped 4 or 5* ? Surely not.
Also what's deducted for cost of genotyping?
Anyone joining this scheme would what to read the terms and conditions particularly pages 14 to 18 on penalties. Very punitive penalties for breaches of scheme rules more so than the previous scheme. Tread with care.
Submitted application today….
