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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia would face reprisal in that instance. Ukraine would be within its rights to target Russian launch systems with its own missiles. As you know, Ukraine has hit strategic targets on Russian territory, and this would continue in the situation you describe. I have to think, also, that Ukraine would get a lot from NATO in terms of missile defence systems, significantly stilting the threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Agreed!

    I've no concerns that Ukraine won't be winning this war and restoring their legitimate 1991 border.

    My worry is that once the orcs lose the war, they will try to weasel out of their obligation to pay for the reconstruction costs in Ukraine, and compensation for the 10's of thousands that they maimed and killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Ukraine won't be able to push back into Russia to defeat them or get them to at least ask for a ceasefire, although Russia might start asking for that in an attempt to keep Crimea but doubtful Ukraine will listen.

    Once Russia is removed from Ukraine then you could have NATO doing more joint training exercises with Ukraine which would be the only way to get Russia to stop making pot shots over the border for fear of hitting NATO forces. Then over time Ukraine gets more EU and NATO integration and Russia has to back off properly.

    Russia could start asking for a ceasefire to keep Crimea, and that then might be a position to be able to start extracting money from them for rebuilding and getting Russia to demilitarised Crimea and maybe even get them to clear any military out from a zone around the Ukraine border.... But they would never go for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    They always have the chemical , biological and nuclear options…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Russians stalling (for now, at least) in Bakhmut and the decision by Ukraine to pour more troops into the region shows once again that the intelligence which Ukraine is receiving is good. It wasn't just a nationalistic folly by Zelensky to continue to try and hold that city, as had been suggested.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Otherwise known as the "let's get ourselves wiped out by the NATO/ US + UK/ EU response" option.

    Even if the response is not wearing NATO badges, various NATO countries would almost certainly respond to such a move from Russia. Whilst they have already done similar in Syria, the closer they get to attacking people that look like westerners the more likely a response is from NATO members, even if not under a NATO banner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Not true at all, Ukraine has limited air defense systems,they can only cover limited number of areas and could get overwhelmed with the right tactics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    You're just parrotting orc propaganda again.

    90% of anything the orcs put into Ukrainian airspace is shot down.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone that thinks Russia has air superiority in Ukraine could do themselves a favour and google a definition.


    Anyone that thinks Russia has air supremacy in Ukraine could do themselves a favour and check in to their nearest loony bin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You've always known something since when you first posted on here in January, wether that be bakhmut or anything else .

    Yeah 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Having more planes than your enemy doesn't matter much if you cannot, or will not, use them effectively; if you will not properly leverage that advantage. Russia can clearly appreciate the tactic of massing men, but they can't do that with planes? It doesn't make any sense. There's obviously more to the story than "Russia has more planes than Ukraine, but aren't doing that much with them because, uh...".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I hope that this is true. My big fear was that Zelensky was overruling the generals on attempting to hold Bakhmut.

    I honestly thought it was only a matter of time until it fell. That British MoD update sounds very promising though.

    If Wagner can't take Bakhmut then Prigozhin may has well off himself right now and save himself the worry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... then it's a duck. They don't really have the capability to impose themselves in Ukrainian airspace.

    Presumably what capacity they do hold, they think it better to reserve this for the defence of Russia itself, if needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Why are you trying to defend the indefensible?

    Like everything else in the russian military their air force is mostly a fiction. If it was as great as you say it would have squashed the Ukrainians ages ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2


    The seized money from the oligarchs will be used for reconstruction.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    My opinion on the aircraft situation is that the maintenance of their air fleet has been poor, they don't have enough well-trained pilots, and they're afraid of a MANPAD waiting under every bush. This is based on what we have been seeing within other branches of the Russian military. It's certainly going to be closer to the truth of the matter than the Russians are holding back on unleashing their aerial power because they just felt like giving the Ukrainians a sporting chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Most of Russian regulars seem to be doing little according to reports the last few months or more.

    Bakhmut front is all wagner, who have their own artillery and planes

    Donetsk front is DNR militia

    Only at Ugledar and in north Luhansk are there actual Russian army operating, incl RU airforce. It seems the modus operandi is to let others do the dirty work and the dying.

    RU will never have air superiority, but they are also not a depleted airforce. Likely political reasons in airforce that mean they arent as active as others, self preservation for airforce really as they would get shot down. Far too many MANPADs and AA batteries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Fastpud


    Great analysis on the Russian winter offensive and the reasons why Ukraine stayed in Balhmut


    https://youtu.be/EWKwPeSnvTE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    There is no way on Earth that those zombies will voluntarily compensate Ukraine unless they are forced to by the withholding of trade.

    They will ask why they themselves are not being compensated.

    They are a blight on the human race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire



    What was a bit of a surprise was the analogy of the American Carpenter and material costs and the same costs for the Russian Carpenter. According to that, there's not all that much difference cost wise between what the Russian and the US each spend on aircraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I have to wonder to myself if the Russians have ever thought about how they're laying siege to a city exactly 80 years since Stalingrad, via a stalling Winter offensive, using vehicles with an ominous symbol displayed proudly on them and maybe pause to ask themselves arewethebaddies.jpg?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,189 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A few weeks ago I believed that bakhmut would fall in a week or so or at least the Ukrainians would have to withdraw completely, as it didn't seem to make sense to hold on and risk enciclement. It came very close but it appears that Ukraine is slowly winning the 'arm wrestle'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Since then, he has posted battlefield videos online, at least once broadcasting his unit’s precise location to everyone, including the opposing side. He used his story to solicit donations. “I was in Kuwait during Desert Storm, and I was in Iraq after 9/11,” Mr. Vasquez said in a fund-raising video. He added, “This is a whole different animal.”


    Mr. Vasquez, in fact, was never deployed to Kuwait, Iraq or anywhere else, a Pentagon spokeswoman said. He specialized in fuel and electrical repairs. And he left the Army Reserve not as a sergeant as he claimed, but as a private first class, one of the Army’s lowest ranks.

    More on James Vasquez and the other American fraudsters operating on Ukraine.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/world/europe/volunteers-us-ukraine-lies.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    For sure, the incidents I spoke about were no joke, . There's nothing much to joke about if you are living in Russia I can tell you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    After Russia is removed from Ukraine, what's to stop them ( Ukraine ) becoming full fledged NATO members? Then we will see how many Missiles Russia lobs across the border from territory into Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And are also fully aware of the consequences of using them. Even their so called "Friends", the Chinese will not tolerate that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There are lots of posts on the effectiveness of the sanctions on Russia, to the effect that they are basically worse than useless, they hurt us more than Russia etc. yet, in any of the so called peace proposals, always high on the list is the "Immediate lifting of sanctions", For sure they are hurting, and will hurt even more in future when they are increased. They are slowly choking Russia.



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