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Air Accident / Incident thread

pepe the prawn

Dunno if this would be of any use or interest to people, a thread solely for notification and discussion (not waffle) of air accidents and incidents etc. If not then the mods can feel free to delete if required.

Ex Ryanair 737-800 which was only delivered to its new owner in South Korea in the past few weeks, pressurisation problem. HL8049, formerly EI-DYH

http://avherald.com/h?article=49158d84&opt=0

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faoiarvok

Think you’ve replied to the wrong person?

JohnC.

Bloody hell, this is a bit close

https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1622060444985720835

JohnC.

Looks like both planes were fine to be cleared at the points they were, but for whatever reason Southwest took ages to actually start moving so FedEx caught up.

HTCOne

I dunno, clearing SWA onto the runway in LVPs with FDX at 3nm….squeeky bum time.

Edit: I just read elsewhere there’s no surface movement RADAR/ground surveillance in AUS so definitely very flipping risky behaviour by TWR.

EchoIndia

Not a lot of information provided here but if the AAIB are involved there must be something of substance to look into.

https://www.thejournal.ie/air-accident-investigation-sligo-helicopter-emergency-landing-derry-5991043-Feb2023/

HTCOne

Ugly one here....

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/qatar-airways-flight-787-loses-height-after-take-off/

Shedite27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120221892#Comment_120221892

Bit strange that it continued to Copenhagen no?

If it was Pilot error - you'd want that pilot checked out

If it was mechanical - you'd want that plane checked out

Maybe a massive gust of wind? Probably the only thing you'd let it continue for

Hotblack Desiato

http://avherald.com/h?article=504d75c7&opt=0

According to information The Aviation Herald received on Feb 7th 2023 the first officer was pilot flying. At about 1600 feet the aircraft was cleared direct to the next waypoint and the first officer attempted to turn towards that waypoint flying manually and without flight director indications (the captain was slow to put the Direct into the FMS) but lost situational awareness sending the aircraft into a descent that reached 3000 fpm sink rate and exceeded the flap speed limits until the captain took control of the aircraft and recovered about 800 feet above water. The occurrence was not reported to the authorities and only came to light later.

General Disarray

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223066#Comment_120223066

This screams classic somatogravic illusion to me.

At night, no visual clues, over the sea, in an accelerating climbing turn, pure textbook conditions.

POBox19

Something similar here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64645457

US air safety officials say they will investigate why a Boeing 777 jet unexpectedly lost altitude and nearly plunged into the Pacific Ocean.

United Airlines flight 1722 had left Maui on 18 December and was climbing when it suddenly plummeted 1,400ft (425m), reports say.

It stabilised at just 775ft in altitude and went on to land safely in San Francisco 27 minutes early.

EchoIndia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110482#Comment_120110482

Nepal ATR-72 preliminary report.

https://www.tourism.gov.np//files/pu..._files/343.pdf

Astral Nav

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120244500#Comment_120244500

It appears that the training Capt feathered both engines when he was asked to set landing flap. Downright strange. Neither pilot noticed.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120246154#Comment_120246154

PF was very busy looking at runway she was turning towards and expected PM to correct engine thrust situation as best he could do “instantly”. If both engines were gone at that point they really had nowhere to go, a crash was inevitable.

The flap and engine condition levers are right beside each other. The PM’s left hand would have reached to operate these, but I imagine he too was a bit hyper-focussed on watching out the window to check he student was aiming correctly. The flap lever is white and you simply pull back to your chosen setting, the condition levers are black and have longer travel, also they must be pulled up past the stop to activate, so as to lessen the likelihood of cutting the fuel unintentionally in flight. However, PM managed to achieve this, so his mind must have been totally off the task, his muscle memory so y telling him “this lever needs pulling up”.

She brought his attention to no thrust several times in succession, it seems he “froze”. Either crew was extremely fatigued or he coincidentally suffered from a medical event as happened with the Staines Trident tragedy.

John.G

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120257353#Comment_120257353

I'd say this wasn't the first time that the props were feathered but the mistake was spotted in time, I'm quite surprised that there isn't a audible warning that they have been feathered, looking at the position of those levers, especially with flaps 15 selected and when flaps 30 are called for then IMO its almost inevitible that someone will, under the "right" conditions, pull the wrong lever(s).

The Staines accident occured despite having three pilots, a P1 and a P2 plus additionally, a monitoring pilot, a P3 sitting back between them. After this accident a speed baulk was installed to prevent retraction of the droop lever until the speed was above the stall speed. BEA said that the likely hood of someone retracting the droops before the stall speed was exceeded was very small because the droop lever only became unguarded when the flap lever was moved, it then only took something like 10 secs for the speed to build up to exceed the stall limit.

EchoIndia

Follow-up to a tragic ground incident at Dublin a few years ago:

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/03/09/swissport-ireland-fined-250000-over-death-of-employee-in-dublin-airport-fall/

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120336146#Comment_120336146

“HSA inspector Mairead Wall said Mr Gracey had been carrying out two roles on the day, of team leader and trainer”

this industry, that job, both responsibilities should never have been put onto poor Richard… or anyone, you cannot do both…. You are either carrying out training OR working…

billie1b

I won't mention names of companies but one of the largest, if not the largest airline operating in Dublin has this as unofficial standard practice. It's been like that years and has never changed, the only thing that has changed is less people working on the crews adding more stress to overly stretched people already.

RIP Richie

Irish Steve

The company name has changed, back in 1996 it was servisair, and they had a fatal accident with another cargo aircraft, and as the previous poster commented, things were bad then, and it seems that they've not improved much, and unfortunately, a combination of weak mangement and militant and over strong unions made the situation worse, there were certain people who could not be touched, even if they were not following procedures, and there were times when it did indeed make a difficult and potentially dangerous job even harder to do properly. At least this case has resulted in court action, maybe that will have got the attention of the people that can make changes, I'd like to hope that a tragic death will mean real change at last.

RIP Richie.

POBox19

Not an accident, but possibly one waiting to happen. Two SpiceJet pilots grounded for coffee at 37,000’.

https://twitter.com/Mohan_Rngnathan/status/1635560522161737729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1635560522161737729%7Ctwgr%5E7befef1377870a82bece3af171f4b66bad51752a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-asia-india-64948054

smurfjed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120364780#Comment_120364780

Why do people feel the need to post everything online.

cml387

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120380228#Comment_120380228

Indeed.

However I though the Airbus had a pull out table.

Comhrá

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120395037#Comment_120395037

It's a Boeing 737 afaik.

POBox19

Accident: Ryanair B738 at Dublin on Apr 9th 2023, temporary runway excursion and nose gear damage on landing

By Simon Hradecky, created Sunday, Apr 9th 2023 19:45Z, last updated Sunday, Apr 9th 2023 19:45Z

A Ryanair Boeing 737-800, registration EI-DHH performing flight FR-5542 from Liverpool,EN (UK) to Dublin (Ireland), landed on Dublin's runway 28L at 17:30L (16:30Z) but suffered the failure of parts of the nose gear, veered left off the runway temporarily, managed to get back onto the centerline and attempted to vacate the runway via high speed turn off S5 about 1700 meters/5600 feet down the runway, but came to a stop inside the runway strip. The next arrival was instructed to go around. After coming to a stop the crew queried tower whether there was any smoke or fire, tower responded that there was no smoke or fire at that time, emergency services were responding. Tower instructed all stations to maintain radio silence advising they had a failure on the runway.

Relevant NOTAM:

A0827/23 NOTAMN

Q) EISN/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5325N00616W005

A) EIDW B) 2304091800 C) 2304092300

E) RWY 10R/28L CLSD.

REASON: DISABLED AIRCRAFT.

greasepalm

That was an Easter surprise but glad it was not too bad and people were safe and not much damage done . Great photo and thanks to all a tragedy was averted.

EchoIndia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461204#Comment_120461204

I'd say Simon would prefer a link to his site being posted than a copy and paste of his content.

POBox19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461557#Comment_120461557

I did attempt to paste the link, but the following message appeared: "Site's 'avherald.com' robots.txt did not allow access to the url."

joujoujou

Here's the link.

https://avherald.com/h?article=50796916&opt=0

Hotblack Desiato

So the nose gear refused to rotate and wore down to a stub... about 20 years ago there was a spate of incidents on A320s where the gear steered to 90 degrees and locked, but this is a 737!

I hope DAA charge Ryanair for the damage to the runway 🤣

EchoIndia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467512#Comment_120467512

Where has it been reported that the gear refused to rotate (meaning the wheels wouldn't rotate?)?

Bussywussy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120468221#Comment_120468221

Probably another moronic comment from avherald or YouTube