Overall less seating it seems.
Think the USB ports are under the seats in the area between the two.
Looks great, I really love the colour scheme outside.
It mentions charging points, but I don't see any in the video, will they have USB plugs in the back of the seats like on the buses?
Irish rails tweet about it....
Photos and video of the new dart fleet mock up have been released.
If all of this really goes through, in the next 20 years the Cabra/Glasnevin area is bound to be one of the best served by rail transport in Dublin, with 3 luas stops (Broombridge/Cabra/Phibsboro), a Dart West station (Broombridge), a Dart South-West station (Cabra East?), and a Metrolink/Dart station (Glasnevin). If they ever build a Luas to Blanch the Navan road might also see more rail coming, but that sounds more like a pipe dream atm 😅
I would say the 8 paths per hour (24 services) would be the 3 from Drogheda and 2 from Laytown and the rest being the Dundalk/Newry/Belfast services
Don't think that you can really say without looking at the future use of the line. With the increase in the number of trains on the line, and with limited extra passing loops, any train that skips station will have less clear runs into the city.
Given that that poster has previously indicated an involvement in the project, I think we can take it that they are correct.
Are you sure this is correct? There would be at least half a dozen additional stops all requiring extra deceleration, alighting/boarding and acceleration time. It would be a lot of time to make up with better simply acceleration/deceleration at existing stops.
The acceleration/deceleration of the new BEMU/EMUs is greater then the existing 29000s meaning that a BEMU/EMU on all stations stopper between Connolly & Drogheda is a few minutes faster then the existing limited stops 29000s stopping pattern.
Coastal North proposes extra track loop at Clongriffin and a new turnback at Malahide. No details on Coastal south yet.
This is from the DART+ Coastal North webpage;
If all 24 paths from Drogheda were used, it would only leave 6 paths for DARTs south from Malahide, so 2 per hour. Then another 2 per hour starting from Clongriffin. I think this is just indicating paths rather then stating service pattern. There wouldn't be demand for 8 trains per hour southbound from Drogheda, particularly if the train stopped at every bloody station between there and Connolly. If you had 5 per hour departing from Drogheda, there could be another 5 per hour departing from Malahide, plus another 2 per hour departing from Clongriffin. It might make more sense to have more departing from Clongriffin rather than Malahide if a commuter train can overtake there.
So you want to just double the scope of Metrolink just like that and don't foresee any issues with that? Metrolink is what it is, any changes sets the project back a decade, nothing is worth that.
I disagree,
If this was gone, capacity on the Northernline is increased, since no need to share track with Enterprise/Dundalk/Drogheda trains, which will have dedicated tracks along side Metro north.
That makes no sense at all, even if money was no object.
Blowing a fortune to put lipstick on a pig.
This made me laugh quite a bit, considering all ML has been through over the years.
Will Dart Coastal include any passing loop on the northern, or southern, city sections?
Quad track MetroLink? Don't think that's in the plans....
Also, will the Metro be the same guage as Dart?
Quad Tracking the Northern line would be "difficult", a lot of it is in a cutting or has buildings close to it.
I have said before, build Metro North to DART guage, and quad track it from the city to Rush via swords, and problem solved.
Having Drogheda/Laytown bound trains stopping at every station along the way isn't going to work, that can't be the plan. It would mean that journey times north of Donabate would be enormous, such that it would turn people off the train. As already said, it would also mean a big deterioration in service for people south of Malahide. Then you have people on the Howth branch unhappy about losing direct trains.
There is no way making the train service worse for literally everyone on the northern line will be accepted in what is supposed to be an "upgrade" project. Where are the benefits in spending whose millions? Why build a turnback platform at Malahide if you are going to terminate less trains there then at present? I refuse to believe that is the actual plan, it makes no sense at all.
They could have even considered shutting Connolly Station for through-services and building an interchange station at East Wall where the two lines connect, because let's face, anyone destined for city centre is better served by Tara than Connolly and anyone destined for Docklands is better served by the new Spencer Dock station than Connolly. Having an interchange where the lines dissect would serve that purpose perfectly. The only people in need of Connolly are those terminating trains that won't make it as far as Tara, and they can still stop at an interchange station in East Wall for all other needs.
It's nuts that the Dart Plus project is meant to be the alternative to Dart Underground and was sold as such, but yet when it comes to what really would be a game changer for Dart Plus - that is, to four-track the northern line - the same timidity, lack of ambition and fear of disturbing the status quo seems to persist ...and this is a status quo which, just yesterday, the IPCC gave a final warning about in relation to the devastating consequences it will lead us in terms of the environment as we know it.
Yes, I know that I will be able to get any of the Drogheda Darts but lets face it, these aren't short hop Darts as we know them. They are trains coming from the country and I can't help but think they will be packed by the time they get to existing Dart stations in rush hour.
So if I want to avoid the long haul trains this means there are less short hop Darts than before. 6 down to 4.
I remain skeptical that this new setup will alleviate rush hour crushes. The new trains need to be long but knowing IR they will find a way to halve them to save money like the mess we have with the Dart fleet at the moment.
Yes, and unlikely to change until MetroLink is built. Because of interchange at Glasnevin West, less trains from West and South-West will need to feed into Connolly, allowing greater frequency from the Northern Line.
Alternatively, some way of interchanging with Connolly from the Spencer Dock line would be needed to free up space.
Sorry I missed this!
You would be able to get any of those DARTs including the Drogheda and Laytown ones
Yep the plan is for the Howths to terminate in howth junction and people will hop on to a Drogheda/Laytown/malahide/clongriffin train
This is the plan for the breakdown of services in the Connolly area, it was outlined in the planning permission for DART+ West
From reading it , 3 DARTs per hour terminate in Drogheda , 2 DARTs per hour start/end at Laytown
Is this an official proposal for the northern line?
Only four Darts that are not coming from Drogheda? So if I'm getting a rush hour Dart from Raheny I can get one of these four trains or else get on a northern line dart (that I assume will be packed)?
And how does the Howth shuttle work? Hundreds of Howth passengers changing at Howth Junction and getting on these northern line darts?
I honestly can't see this resulting in more comfortable rush hour journeys for those from Howth Junction onwards.
Biggest issue is the anti social behaviour and how easily ASB can remove disability access to a station, hence why they favour the bridge solution. Same why they won't put in underpasses, not super public friendly and preception that they are places for ASB.
