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Barbie Kardashian is in a women's prison. Taoiseach's response to questions on this are here..

Spanish Eyes

There has been some publicity lately about the Barbie Kardashian case. This person is an intact male, extremely violent and is incarcerated in the women's estate (Limerick Prison) as he identifies as a woman.

The Taoiseach (inter alia) was asked for his views and they are as shown in the attached twitter clip. I realise that the media outlet concerned is seen as dubious by many, but the questions and the responses are very real, and the topic is rarely covered by MSM.

Do you agree that males identifying as women should be in women's spaces? I do not, and the recent similar Scottish case of Isla Bryson has brought the issue into more focus. Nicola Sturgeon who supported males in women's prisons is now gone from leadership of the SNP and Isla Bryson has been moved to a male prison.

Males identifying as women should not be allowed in any women only spaces. Discuss.

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1638242240609804288

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Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393588#Comment_120393588

Probably for the best considering you didn’t understand me anyway.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393609#Comment_120393609

I did too. Thought it was a good thing. Didn't think it would lead to people demanding that a trans person is literally the opposite sex (and that's what's being insisted, not gender - the latter is being used totally incorrectly) or muck like "birthing people".

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393548#Comment_120393548

BK is a woman the same as your mother, no different in any way.

Or Myra Hindley.

ingalway

Good example of a politician - UK Labour - using doublespeak to defend the indefensible

https://twitter.com/OkBiology/status/1638902201669111808?s=20

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393764#Comment_120393764

Where exactly did I "rub your nose in it"?

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393660#Comment_120393660

But we never met Myra Hindley.

MH is a gruesome picture in a newspaper.

No it’s much better, if we want inclusivity and equality for all, if we all remember that BK is no different in any possible way to someone beloved of most of us, our own mothers, the woman who conceived us, carried us, birthed us, sustained our lives in our infant years etc. We don’t want to be unkind in any way to anyone ever…do we?

ingalway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393764#Comment_120393764

By saying not one person is supporting BK are you saying that you do not believe that BK should be in a female prison?

Ten of Swords

@Liath Luachra do not post in this thread again

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393653#Comment_120393653

I’m by nature a very ….unkind person. So I just assumed that it would very quickly escalate into a very good attempt at erasing women from society.

When you see seasoned politicians on live television horrified at being simply asked what they think a woman is then you know good progress is being made in that objective.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393764#Comment_120393764

I can understand why you're so animated, boards is something of a refuge for your views, given that everywhere else people are starting to point out that this particular emperor has no clothes, without fear of consequence. A shocking state of affairs.

A Dub in Glasgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393660#Comment_120393660

He is a person just like Hindley but he is not a female

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120392107#Comment_120392107

Very reasoned views here. Have all girls abandon a sport over an issue that will only ever be marginal rather than remain rational and try to change from within.

NeutralHandle

I know of a few trans people. Some would not be safe in a female prison. Some would not be safe in a mens prison. I'm not sure a single rule works. Maybe a case by case approach makes more sense.

Chelsea Manning is a different animal to barbie kardashian. They kept trying to kill themselves while in prison. There wasn't anything to suggest they would be dangerous to women.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393881#Comment_120393881

They don't need to change from within as they were born female, not signed a piece of paper saying they are female

The ludicrousy is ending - biological males cannot compete in female sports

[Deleted User]

"Maybe a case by case approach makes more sense" - definitely. Same with toilets and changing rooms.

JohnnyFortune

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393881#Comment_120393881

Tell that to the first girl who’s mangled in a tackle with a former male.

Ten of Swords

@[Deleted User] do not post in this thread again

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393344#Comment_120393344

Even though the experts say they aren't genuinely transgender , but are highly manipulative and like to seek attention

Rothko

With cases like this it's always amusing to see the pretend "feminists" being exposed as the true misogynists that they really are.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394213#Comment_120394213

However you get your kicks really. I don’t think there’s anything amusing about it, but then we’re probably not referring to the same groups of people who pretend they ever gave a damn about women.

In it’s most simple terms, human rights law and criminal law are two separate areas of law, and the Irish Prison Service oversees the accommodation of all inmates in the prison system, including the movement of inmates between prisons, as was done for example in the case of Charlotte Mulhall when she was moved from Dochas to Limerick after an investigation into the improper conduct of prison officers responsible for her care -

This is the second time Charlotte Mulhall has been embroiled in a scandal with prison staff. In November 2017 a male member of prison staff was found hiding behind a shower curtain in Mulhall’s en-suite bathroom. The officer was ‘very flustered’ and CCTV recorded him entering her cell 10 minutes earlier. Prison officers later entered Charlotte Mulhall’s room as there was a suspicion the pair were in a sexual relationship.

https://extra.ie/2019/01/04/news/irish-news/scissor-sister-charlotte-mulhall-caught-having-sex-with-jail-worker-in-cell

Charlotte and Lisa Smith have since become besties since Lisa’s incarceration in Limerick prison; they’re in good company -

Smith is locked up alongside female assassin Rose Lynch and child killer Karen Harrington but she has adjusted to life behind bars, a source revealed.

They said: “She spends a lot of time on her own praying in her cell but has now started to venture outside of it and mingle with other inmates.

“She talks to Charlotte Mulhall a good bit as well as some of the other female inmates on the wing. You would never picture the two of them talking but they seem to get on pretty well. Smith is well liked and is seen as a model prisoner.”

Mum-of-one Smith is the first person to be convicted in an Irish court of membership in another country of an Islamic terrorist organisation. She had been on bail until her conviction at the Special Criminal Court and spent her first nights in lock up at the Dochas Centre in Mountjoy, Dublin.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/scissor-sister-charlotte-mulhall-isis-28133719

In those circumstances, the only real threat to any inmates is from the prison officers who aren’t interested in doing their job and instead choose to exploit the situation they’re in with the inmates who they are supposed to be supervising.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393881#Comment_120393881

Why should they change? That’s the attitude you have? And the sport is over if they all stop playing in protest. Worth it to end this madness.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394363#Comment_120394363

Change the organisation from within to amend the rule to one that makes sense, such as what world athletics have done, and world rugby. And world swimming. Rather than end a sport entirely for an issue that will probably only occur for 10 or so people.

I do think people here have generated some vision of teams full of trans women. Less than 0.1% of the population identify as trans.

Lewis_Benson

The world is fucked.

This bull shyte has to stop now.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394386#Comment_120394386

Ah I see. That makes sense.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394343#Comment_120394343

More word salad that I assume you copy and paste to dozens of other forums and internet discussion. Have you and the other activists got a central repository for all this?

Accusing prison guards of exploitation. Disgusting.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393548#Comment_120393548

As the old saying goes...the law is an ass.

Vivisectus

Back in the day there used to be these discussions about gay men being allowed to be around young boys in schools and sports clubs and such. Gay pedophiles were seen as scarier than straight ones, and because of this people felt justified in singling them out. Arguing the opposite was just a world gone mad. PC going overboard. What is the world coming to, etc and so forth.

This is the exact same discussion, isn't it?

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394416#Comment_120394416

Reading this thread it is a bit concerning the number of people who seem fully convinced that all trans women only do it so they can rape women

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394416#Comment_120394416

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394428#Comment_120394428

It’s genuinely in such bad taste to see the same old faces in this thread exploiting this case and, by extension, the suffering of the victims to have a go at trans people.

Barbie Kardashian is such an anomaly, such a bizarre hateful figure, that it’s absurd to point at her and claim that she is representative of typical mtf transwomen and to suggest that (cis)women are at risk of being harmed by the wider trans community.

Paterson Jerins

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393552#Comment_120393552

You are wrong, again.

Do you believe the lies you are writing?