He justified it pretty quickly - it wasn't a difficult statement to justify to be fair, as Ken made pretty clear - he just loves to dig into those historical comparisons and swim around in them for a while. Once he gets started on history in any context, he's always gonna natter away for a while (and it's why we love him!)
It was pretty interesting and appropriately contrarian for Ken but the phrase ‘when you’re explaining you’re losing’ came to mind. The point most people were making wasn’t that the comparison was necessarily wrong, but that it was unhelpful and detracted from the point Lineker was trying to make, and gave the Tories an avenue to attack him. Nothing Ken said altered that in my view.
Whether the statement is helpful is a different question than whether the statement was accurate, which is what Ken was discussing. And yeah, it was pretty accurate ("bang to rights", as Ken said). And as Ken also pointed out, Lineker likely chose that example because that's what the Brits are obsessed with - that he could've chosen any number of other examples, but that the fetishisation of WW2 history in Britain means that people basically know fück all about any other branch of history. That was the one Lineker reached for, because it's the one they all always reach for.
Also, no-one loves diving into the details of a thought more than Ken - wouldn't at all apply the "if youre explaining youre losing" thing to him in that capacity. He could've made the point significantly more simply (cause again, it's not a difficult point to make), but that's not how Ken rolls. He was positively revelling in getting to talk about one of his favourite movies in the process too.
Your argument is with something the other user hasn’t actually said
Well he didn’t show it was accurate actually. He referred to a comment made by Braverman at another time to ‘cultural Marxism’ and used that to claim her language was akin to Nazi Germany.
Firstly, the right in the UK and US often refer to cultural Marxism so is Ken saying that all such references are automatically similar to Nazi Germany?
Secondly, it wasn’t at all clear to me that Braverman referred to cultural Marxism in the context of the immigration bill, and therefore Ken’s use of it seems irrelevant to Linekar’s tweet.
Thirdly, does anybody really believe Linekar was thinking about Braverman’s past reference to cultural Marxism and how that interacts with language used by the Nazis when he fired out that tweet? Of course he wasn’t, it was a pretty lazy response that obviously falls foul of Godwin’s Law.
Even Fintan O’Toole in today’s Irish Times criticised Linekar’s reference to 1930s Germany. I think it’s entirely possible (as I do) to agree with the general point he was making while also believing his analogy was cheap and unhelpful.
I think you, Ken and others are reading too much into what he said.
Comparing how the British gov want to treat migrants is similar to how Germany began to treat Jews in the 30s.
We're veering towards becoming the OTB thread, lads. FFS!
Ten minutes?
Ken is gonna explode tomorrow. Ederson cleans out yet another player. Doesn't even get a yellow. And then Werner gets booked!
i was watching it last night and when it happened it was the first thing i thought of haha
I've listened to a considerable amount of coverage of the Linekar thing across a wide range of podcasts with contributors from multiple disciplines and backgrounds.....but Ken shyting on about it for 30 mins is by far the highlight for me 😂
The Columbus egg story is exactly the sort of nonsense I sign up for 😂
Ken's whole report on sport yesterday was top stuff!
Yeah, the three lads were all over the place. Fantastic.
It's the X factor that makes second captains the best IMO
Suppose I'll go listen to some Marvin Gaye at work tomorrow
Really interesting podcast.
That's exactly the kind of outside-the-normal-soccer-GAA-rugby thing people round here have been asking for. Excellent.
I'm onboard for Motown week.
I enjoyed Murphs very Murph statement of “you couldn’t but understand the cultural relevance of the music at 14” 😂
I'm calling bullshyte on Murph's appreciation of Marvin Gaye.
Razorlight, Hothouse Flowers, Kasabian... Marvin Gaye.
Absolute dong. Murph was far too busy playing GAA to realise that "What's going on" was about police brutality in the states.
The guy genuinely is an egomaniac.
FFS lads - You're now assuming what was played / not played in the Murphy house and how little time he had to listen to music. Pure petty nonsense from you all.
My older brother was an Iron Maiden fan and therefore, I became one as he was older and played what he wanted in our room.
I’ve listened to this 5 times since yesterday… FIVE
He's no Roseanne Barr though.
Cracked up at the "Mitro-glycerine" comment the other day even if Ken probably did 'borrow' it from the back page of the Sun or some other rag...
That’s not what I was saying, I’m sure he did listen to it, lots.
What I’m laughing at is “even at 14, it’s not woven deep in the tapestry… it’s blatantly obvious what the album is about”
To be fair anyone into their music knew that. I was (and still am) seriously into music growing up and knew it at that young of age. Anyone with an older brother who was into it would have passed down the knowledge and then that youngfella would pass it on to his mates when he played it for them. Pretty common.
What's so hard to believe about a 14-year-old understanding the meaning behind socially conscious music?
It was a good episode and came totally out of the blue. A pleasant surprise as I was just thinking there would be something about the Irish football.
Great to see them covering something out of the regular remit.
Am I going mad or have the football and hurling leagues totally fallen off the radar in recent weeks?
No harm, media coverage in general has been minimal due to lack of interest and quality. The lack of jeopardy in the NHL in particular makes it pretty pointless to discuss in detail.
I'm a GAA fan btw but any games I've seen have been terrible so fat this year
I wonder have the lads made a decision to not cover news related to transgender athletes? They've conspicuously avoided reporting on a number of significant stories since the FINA ruling last year.
