No, no lack of insight. My points have been well-developed. I can assure you I know a good fleshed out evidence-based argument when I see it, and the one I posted on the 4th March is one.
To be honest, it's an easy argument to make as it's so obviously correct. There's no other credible interpretation of events. Yeah, St Kieran's will win the final. Of course, why wouldn't they when they have the pick of a county and then some. How could there possibly be lack of insight about that? It's like walking into a zoo and pointing out there are animals there.
"not sure why the claim is considered priceless"...... Lack of any insight maybe?
This is the post (4th March) where this was dealt with by me. Not quite sure why the claim is considered "priceless". This discussion has been had already. All over bar the personalised remarks.
Ah Rosita girl. The unpalatable reality for you is that Kierans are in another All Ireland. Maybe you should channel your obvious anger into a positive and get involved with your own school. I'm sure they'd benefit from your undoubted wisdom and hurling knowledge. I'm sure you're obvious charm would go down a storm with the players.
"this was dealt with by me"..... Absolutely priceless.
If you were to be specific about the actual impact of money on the inter-county championship rather than just implying stuff all the time it'd be interesting. I doubt you could sustain an argument for very long but would make an interesting read. Just be careful that, like the case of the Colleges' championship, you don't make an argument opposing the position you actually want to hold.
Let it go and concentrate on your otherwise excellent posts.
You say "There really is no debate"????
And yet you suggest I grow up?
As for being entrenched in a supposed non level playing field in schoolboy hurling. Ok let's have a much weightier debate on the non level playing field at inter county hurling, I'd love to participate. And make sure to put "Impact of having a Billionaire sugar daddy bankrolling the team" down for discussion.
Failing that, I'm done with you.
Be much better if everyone could just ignore Rosita, who is just a sad individual
Haven't bothered to read the last post but would respectfully suggest that the poster cops on.
Don't know why you insist on keeping this going (other than you are probably used to just unadulterated praise on all aspects of Kilkenny hurling) as the facts are the facts.
Of course the pool of winners was narrower years ago when you had several big schools drawing players from far and wide. St Kieran's remain the most obvious remaining example of that type of school. Naturally they have become more successful because their obvious competitors have been removed since boarding stopped.
This was dealt with by me at length in a post about two weeks ago where examples of St Flannan's and St Coleman's were given with figures for the years before boarding stopped compared with the years after. They both fell off a cliff. The obvious beneficiaries are St Kieran's who essentially retain the advantage of pulling from far and wide. Funny how your arguments on behalf of St Kieran's are the very same ones I used to put some context on their success. You couldn't make that up.
St Kieran's are probably not going to be good enough to win it every year from now on but should win two out of three or something like that with such an advantage.
"Cheating" and "destroying the competition" are your own words by the way.
Now, could I suggest you act your age and forget about getting entrenched about schoolboys' hurling. Like I said, the facts are the facts. There really is no debate, just occasional denial.
Amazing
For the second year in a row Kieran's will face a team in an All-Ireland final who actually have a starting 15 with a wider geographical reach than Kieran's. That's an unpalatable fact, your accusation that Kieran's are essentially cheating and destroying the competition by harvesting players from 15-20 miles away isn't, it's just baseless bitterness.
Up till 30 years ago, diocesan boarding schools dominated the competition, and the spread of winners was actually narrower than it has been for the last 30 years. Your problem is that unlike the other diocesan schools/colleges, who all fell away, Kieran’s became even more successful when the advantage of having most of your players in school 7 days a week ended.
The bloody cheek of them.
Yep, good luck to St Kierans and sod the begrudgers.
Funny how you think that second paragraph is a killer riposte. In fact it just further amplifies the point that at All Ireland level 'local' schools will continue to be squeezed out by schools that don't do regular catchment areas.
And......"lousy accusations", are you having a laugh? It is simply a statement of fact that St Kieran's has 20 odd clubs represented on their panel whereas their opponents the last day appear to have had a panel from about five clubs more or less contiguous to town where the school is. The same could be said of last year's Harty Cup winners. These are simply observable facts. They are not "accusations" not to mind "lousy" ones. Reality being unpalatable doesn't stop it being reality.
Good Luck to Kieran's tomorrow, this should be a high-quality match. There is also bad blood between the two schools as Kieran’s feel hard done by, forced into losing a replay 3 years ago in U16 final after winning the first day, but being pinned for playing a sub too many in closing seconds of extra time. 3 or 4 from each team playing tomorrow.
Interesting one, given what I feel were the lousy accusations aimed at Kieran’s by some earlier. I had a look at Athenry's team from semi. Just one player from Athenry. And at a quick glance the other 14 players make journeys between 10 and 30 mins to attend. 13 of the squad come fromClarinbridge, a 20 min drive over poor roads, when they could easily scoot up to Oranmore in 5 mins on the main Galway road.
But hey, Kieran’s yeh!
That's great to hear on Lyng. I think Cody's coldness and coolness with players had run its course as a managerial strategy. Great managers go though phases and Cody's style worked brilliantly but is now likely to dissappear.
I think it also assuages concerns that Lyng would try to be a Cody clone.
By all accounts D Lyng is very good at communicating with the players. Some seemed to have lost confidence in recent years but are back in form so far under Lyng. All the more reason that no player, young or old, should be ruled out. Let's see what all the players on the panel can do during the coming year.
Things were fairly sour when Henry declined to go with Cody with the view to take it on himself the following year. By all accounts cody told henry he was finishing up and wanted him to take it over.Henry declined and went to galway for the big money and fair play to him. I know Liam Cahill declined Tipp last year and all was forgiven this year but I'd say with the click that's in the county board Henry is down the pecking order after what went on. I'd even say herity or Eddie wouldn't be top of their list because they're not afraid to criticize.
We're all obviously behind lyng and from talking to a few players things are enjoyable and fresh. He's straight like Cody and he even talks like Cody in the interviews.Fair play to him for taking the job and the county board have rightly backed him with resources.We all hope it goes well. He seems a really sound fella.
Are people really putting all blame on Henry during his time with Ttown when you see their record over last number of years?? To me I had Glenmore as favourites to win Intermediate that year as I'm from a neighbouring club and could visibly see and hear what was going on that Declan Wall had such an impact with them.
Anyway Bit harsh if your judging Henry on that. The current Shamrocks success was started by him and he took over the team when there was issues off the field with the club but steered everyone together in the one direction and they have hardly looked back since.
Lyng had 2 very poor terms with u20's in his 1st 2 years although it was covid disruptive but it was same for all teams too.
I would hold Judgement on Henry until we see how his term ends in Galway as ultimately it will all come down to knockout championship, yes they don't have much strength in depth it seems at the moment but time will tell on this. I thought he got all he could out of them in that Limerick semi final personally last year but Henry doesn't do moral victories and he defines meaningful Silverware as success.
So was the furore over Shefflin going to Galwaya bit stupid then?
Were people upset that he took the job, or that the Co board wouldnt get rid of cody to allow shefflin take over?
Looking at Galway since (and even when he was with t'town) Henry isnt exactly doing very well?
So would the people that were criticizing the Co board for not appointing Henry at the time, think the Co board seem to be right ? Or is it still too early?
I think we've moved on from Shefflin at this stage with regards to ever to him being the senior manager. Plenty of others have showing their desire to help out with various Kilkenny teams. Hopefully D Lyng gets his deserved rewards for being so willing to take over the hot seat from B Cody. I'd also commend former greats like P Barry, M Rice and JJ Delaney for throwing in their lot for the good of Kilkenny hurling.
"We haven't mentioned David herity here who's doing a fantastic job with Kildare. I really liked listening to him anytime I heard him talk. I'd really like to see him involved with kk at some stage but I'd be suprised if a few bigger teams don't come after him over the next few years."
Would he be ahead of Shefflin now in line for the throne ?
Shefflin needs to have a better run with Galway this year surely ? Is that /will that harm his chance of the KK job in the future?
Busy few weeks coming up is right and its great for us supporters. I don't know much about the minor but last year was certainly a huge disappointment.Alot of the best Laois and offally players are overage this year I think.Hopefully bergin and his management team would of learned alot from last years disaster.
Alot of eyes will be on the u20s and the players will want to prove last year wasnt a fluke. Theres no doubt we got the breaks and luck along the way but they still had to win these matches. Last year is in the past now.Preparation with the full group probably hasn't being ideal with kierans again involved in the final friday and Clifford,Rowe,drennan and dunne with the seniors have done little or nothing with the 20s. They're getting great exposure with the seniors which is great.ive said it here already that when push comes to shove the u20s will have their full compliment although drennan will make it very hard if he continues the way he's going. It will be hard but they'll manage something. The u20s start before the senior and the senior have Westmeath first so he'll play the first few u20s anyway. Lyng managed the u20s last year so he will know how important it is to get a bit success at that level.Cathal beirne,bill Hughes and Harry shine are back from injury which will be a big help.Paddy Langton has recovered from injury. Hopefully denis Walsh will be ready. Theres definitely no guarantees we will be as successful as last year. We kind of slipped in under the radar last year. Wexford will be decent again and galway will be very good.
I think lyng will trust what he has at senior for the early stages anyway. Tj and mullen could come into the attack.Realistically the two big matches we have In leinster are galway at home and Wexford away.Sunday could be our last match before the championship so I would like to see our team taking shape. I would like to see Corcoran and blanchfield getting a run out on the half back line.paddy mullen has done nothing wrong in the few matches but the last few teams have being poor so we haven't learned much about players so that's why it would be good to win sunday and get a home game against cork and then possibly a league final against limerick if we won that.That would be great preparation heading into the championship.We are slowly getting better with the short game. Our puckouts and movement will hopefully be worked hard on over the next few months.
We haven't mentioned David herity here who's doing a fantastic job with Kildare. I really liked listening to him anytime I heard him talk. I'd really like to see him involved with kk at some stage but I'd be suprised if a few bigger teams don't come after him over the next few years.
So many minor and u20 matches over next 6-8 weeks, hopefully someone will step forward with coverage.
U20s will be serious contenders and their likely inevitable clash with Galway will go a long way in deciding AI.
Dont know much about minors but Ed Mc Dermott would be a massive loss to them if he is injured (he was out for Kierans).
You heard wrong.
I also heard Wexford beat Cork in a U20 challenge at the weekend,so Wexford certainly won’t be a pushover in that competition. Disappointing to hear the minor team lost,we really need to be showing something at this level after last years debacle.
In fairness the schools finals wouldn't get much viewers either outside of the participating counties.
Croke Cup senior hurling final
St Kieran’s (Kilkenny) v Presentation Athenry (Galway), Croke Park, 3pm - TG4 YouTube channel
They lost 2-15 to 17. That's all I know
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