The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
Drivers are taxpayers, they have paid for the facility through their taxes. Ergo parking is part of that. As it stands there is a wholly inadequate public transport system in this country. That results in essence the car being the only viable route to access these public facilities.
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I’m sure the brains at the hse could figure that one out themselves
More about why people go to hospital than public transport. Some of them are on Dart or Luas lines.
Give us an example of a successful system for hospital visitors so. Just how much HSE staff and system resources do you expect to be devoted to providing you with free storage space?
Do you think they should be spending their time figuring out how to provide you with free storage space, or should they be concentrating on, you know, running the health service?
The only stupid thing here is the suggestion that overstretched health budgets should be stretched a bit more, just so that entitled middle-class motorists aren't affronted by having to pay for the storage of their own personal property.
Is it profit generating though? How did you work that out? Did you take into accounts the cost of providing physical space at premium locations and managing such a facility?
Are you sure that tax for motoring is paying for public transport? Maybe it's all sucked up paying for the huge amount of Garda and Court resources that motorists take up? Or paying for health effects of the harmful exhaust toxic fumes and toxic particles from brake pads and tyres? Are you sure that you've thought this through?
Everyone's a taxpayer, so why do you expect those who choose the most harmful, damaging mode of transport to be subsidised with free storage space?
Really? Can I see the accounts where you worked all that out please?
I hear what you're saying. When we build infrastructure in this country there isn't (as far as I can see, as a typical citizen) a rounded approach.
When the M50 was being built, why wasn't a train line put into the airport at the same time?
I don't know the routes of the luas, but how many lines run past the major hospitals, in a way that's actually useful?
It's all well and good talking about congestion charges. However, unless there is an immediate and viable alternative to the car, such charges would amount to an additional tax on people who cannot afford this tax and change nothing.
As it stands, for the vast majority of those who use our public facilties there is no viable alternative to the car. Until there is, charging people to access an already paid for facility is another tax.
@AndrewJRenko effort to quote one part but as for the HSE budget you really do need to put the Kool-Aid down if you genuinely think they are strapped for cash.
they are the most funded part of our system and as usual the money is being spent poorly. I already said slash the salaries of their executives for one thing.
The HSE will have staff who can deal with these things I’m sure. They’d be the best people to ask about enforcing free parking for hospital visitors only and I don’t think it would distract from the medical side of things. i would hope those people are not doctors or nurses who are also looking after patients.
Well you have to be on the train line for it to be useful...and be mobile... and a suitable schedule that works for you.
The profits were widely reported. You don't have to do the accounting yourself.
They aren't subsidised.
Maybe. However, how many cars would just vanish off the road if a traveller into the airport could hop on a train, up to Belfast or into Dublin etc etc.?
No need for taxis or buses or nagging your wife, friend, aunty for a lift to or from the airport ...
Will the airport be in a congestion zone?
It's effectively a park and ride. Though it's now a park and ride to park and ride considering the distance to the long term care parks. I'm not a third stage of park and ride is that useful.
I've always heard good things about the airport buses. They are pretty direct. For sure a train would be better.
The problem is they are now extending the sprawl around the airport. Making traffic that has nothing to do with the airport have to go past the airport.
I really don't get it. The past 20 odd years living in Ireland listening to various groups bitching about cars. What do we do? Build more roads.
How many car journeys would vanish with something as simple as a train to the airport?
I don't know if the airport is in the congestion zone. For me though it makes sense that if I have to fly out of Dublin and I live in Cork or Galway or Westport or Sligo or Belfast or Waterford etc etc, I should be able to get a train to and from the airport.
I don't know if the airport is in the congestion zone. For me though it makes sense that if I have to fly out of Dublin and I live in Cork or Galway or Westport or Sligo or Waterford etc etc, I should be able to get a train to and from the airport.
It is included in the Metro North project...
You don’t speak for “the vast majority”. Lots of people don’t have cars.
I don't own a starship either. So what.
Most funded because they have most demands. Were you living in a cave for the last six months or did you notice the constant stream of headlines about overstretched services and staff?
And your solution is to have those staff running around stamping your parking ticket because you reckon that the world should be designed around motorists?
Did that extreme level of entitlement come as standard with your car or was it an optional extra?
Most of those systems are automated. Did you'd expect you have doctor's and nurses in a hut in a car park.
Well you can get a train, then luas, then bus to airport if you like.
I expect a lot of people going to the airport go at odd hours due to the flights.
I know. It just irritates the hell out of me the way things run in this country. Building the m50, put in train lines? Nah don't be silly.
Considering congestion charges? Why? Well instead of investing in infrastructure when we should have, we ripped out tram and rail lines. It's ok though we put in the luas. Em, not good enough.
If everyone in the Dublin area tried to rely on public transport to get to work (not just Dublin mind) on Monday a large number of people would either be late or never make it to work at all. Frankly, in a supposedly modern city, that's brutal.
Curious metric. Which city specifically do you think could handle their entire population deciding to get public transport on the same day?
It doesn't even need everyone in the city to try using public transport on the same day for it to fall over. The DART is regularly not running. Packed buses leaves loads of people at the side of the roads every morning. We have a problem in this country that PT is run for the benefit of employees tmrather than the public. There aren't enough buses running at peak times for a city our size. Until that's all sorted out bringing in other measures is just punitive.
Frankly, I don't know. That's not the point though. As things currently stand the idea of going into Dublin for any reason for me right now doesn't appeal on any level. If I bring the car, it'll cost me an arm and a leg in parking charges not to mention, 1st gear, neutral, 1st gear, neutral etc etc. Public transport? Yeah, no. Add congestion charges onto that? Good luck.
It's not just Dublin though, looking around the country the choice always seems to be, build a road.
When given the choice of getting to the airport for say the first flight to London/Gatwick tomorrow, i'd drive the car and park, saves getting up at 3am to drag the family and luggage out to the side of the road to in the hope of getting a Bus!
God help anyone coming from outside Dublin, that journey would be longer than any of the routes that you can travel with Ryanair on!
He asked about getting the train. The main train station have links to the Luas, dart and the Airport buses.
I already made the point about odd hours.
Well that was the question. The entire population of a city at the same time. I don't think any city could do that.
Happened to get the train on Friday
Parking at the station for the day €3.50 Train in €2 Train out €2 Lunch Trip on the luas €0.70
Train was about 40% full on the way in and 30% (maybe less) full on the way home.
Wednesday was standing room only on the way in and home. Through I got lucky with seats both times.
Personally I dislike red eye journeys. Where possible I try to travel at normal hours and take the hit on cost and time lost.
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