The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
Should public transport users also be getting free taxis to and from their bus stops?
Locating the hospital in a city center isn't free. Who should pay for making it convenient for some and not others.
Yes everything should be free. Isn't that ultimately where your going with this.
Parking is profit making in most cases. Why should those who don't pay for parking benefit from it.
Every location is convenient for some and not others.
I could be poor and have a car. I could be rich and use the bus.
Why should sick people benefit from parking profits when healthy people don't get to benefit?
But you recognise that it is less likely, on both sides, right?
Two thirds the population don't live in Dublin.
Are we back in geography class or what?
No one's healthy for ever.
Are we back in philosophy class now or what?
Not being daft. If I have business in a public hospital, for treatment or visiting a loved one. I have business in a public building, paid for by taxpayers. Making me pay for parking is an additional tax and for some a barrier to access that public facility. There is a world of difference between that individual and some bloke availing of parking to go to the shops.
Depends. I wonder what the mean income is for users of the Dart vs other public transport. How likely is someone to drive when they have the dart.
Seems it needed to be pointed out.
Economics and Biology.
I’m not really bothered to engage with you if you’re just being sarcastic. i missed the part where rich people drive cars and poor people use the bus.
But as for who’d maintain the car parks, let the hospital pay for it. It’s not like the HSE doesn’t get enough funding. Of course they might have to reduce the crazy salaries of the execs, imagine.
Try parking at the mater on a match day in Croker
No worries about the barriers to access for those who don't have a car, and have to pay bus or train fares to access the public facility. Why should their taxes be going to subsidise storage for your personal property?
Here's an economics lesson so;
Here's a biology lesson - lots of people die suddenly without being sick.
I'm not being sarcastic at all.
Did you really miss the bit about how much it costs to buy, maintain, tax and fuel a car? I can spell it out for you if you like, but I don't really think it's necessary.
So you want HSE resources that could be going to provide extra doctors and nurses to be diverted to pay for free storage facilities for your private property, while less well off visitors have to fund the entirety of their own transport to and from hospital?
There's really no getting over the entitlement level of middle-class drivers, is there?
My GP surgery has barrier parking that’s €2 to exit but if you’re visiting the surgery or surrounding clinics (it’s like a little business park) then you get the code which is changed once a week.
I’m sure if my Wexford based doctors surgery can pull off free parking for patients and paid parking for everyone else one of the biggest hospitals in Dublin if not the biggest hospital could manage to do that also.
I agree though if free parking was universal then the car park would be constantly packed with gobshites.
Parking in hospitals is not a simple problem.
They compounded the problem in so many ways.
A congestion charge isnt going to that big an issue to the majority of people visiting a hospital. You won't be doing it that often. Though it will add up eventually. Straw on the camels back, death of thousand paper cuts.
Exactly, if a person has no business in the hospital, he has no business in the car park.
However, cars have been used as a source of income (generally gouging people who have to use a public resource) rather than provide proper alternatives to the car.
I offered a suggestion where the money could come from. Are the HSE funding nurses and doctors at the moment? The last time I checked the nurses and doctors are leaving the country because the HSE won’t pay them a fair wage.
Somehow I don’t think our health service will crumble into dust because hospitals stop charging for parking the car.
well, Andrew, the thing is I also have to fund my trips to the hospital too, because besides parking the car I need to fuel the car..
The difference is if I take the bus I don’t need to pay for the driver to park it. Do you understand now why your comparisons are to be blunt, absolutely stupid?
It's not because parking is profit generating.
Public transport however isn't. The tax from motoring is paying for it.
You're sawing the branch that you're standing on.
How would you propose to validate visitors parking at a large hospital? How do you work out who's a genuine visitor, and who's a chancer looking for free parking?
When you say 'source of income', you completely ignore the cost of providing and maintaining a car park. Drivers should pay for their own parking, as they are the ones to benefit from it.
That's exactly what validating does.
Lots of successful systems it's not rocket science.
The congestion charge (if we're getting back on topic) is primarily about congestion. It also generates income. They could just rise motor tax as an example if they wanted just more income.
The term Income generating means it's not ignoring those things.
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