The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
That wasn't the example given..."... living where they are from, where they have jobs.."
If they are following the work they won't be constantly in the congestion zone either. Another invalid argument.
Mmmm ... lets see. I and most other citizens pay our fair share of tax (in various forms) expecting our taxes to be used to cover the running costs of publicly run facilities such as public hospitals. So, when we have to visit these facilities, we do not expect to be gouged by a private company (for example) working under contract for the State, when we go to park our car, en route to visit a loved one in one of these public facilities.
"Not getting into the rest here"
I didn't bring up farming and CO2. I have explained what is a huge source of CO2 that is created because of people buying non Irish produce. I think we can agree that is the main topic if we want to discuss farming.
Lets leave it at that, thanks
That post is nonsense :-)
Who has said that people outside the effected areas won't have a say?
It's a a strawman about his "opinion" is being dismissed/ignore because he's not in Dublin.
But that not true it's being ridiculed because its nonsense.
They've been charging for parking at hospitals (and other public facilities) for donkeys years now so if you are not expecting it then you're in for a big surprise!
It doesn't negate the huge emissions (C02, Methane) and water pollution from the dairy industry.
Anyway all this congestion charge talk is a joke when folks can't even get onto the buses and Luas on popular routes they are so busy at peak times already.
Not really invalid, the discussion much more nuanced than you think.
Every one of those car commuters have a story.
If you had left it at that a few posts back it might have worked better.
For sure. But the story (as described) is commuting in local rural area. Not anywhere near a congestion charge zone.
Even if it was about something commuting daily into a city center congestion zone (which it wasn't) you'd pass a lot of other Transport nodes on a 2hr drive into a city. Even if it's about housing and available work (which it wasn't) you also pass a lot of those which are vastly more practical on a 2hr drive too.
I think he made the point well enough. Farming is a global industry. That's the context you have to frame it.
No, not surprised. The way the country has gone, I'm rapidly becoming immune to surprise.
I wasnt going to post on here as it's a schoolboy arguement.
But your other poster Flinty997 has spent about 3 pages telling me I shouldn't have a worry or a say in it as i dont live in those areas.
If you had taken the time to actually read posts you would have read me stating I am interested in the policies of the Country as a whole.
It's the OP and others posting that people outside shouldn't have issue with it.
So the only nonsense on here is people like yourself not reading or understanding before posting utter shite
I never mentioned a 2 hour commute.
Anyway you seem to have it all figured out so you probably don't need my input.
What has that to do with congestion charges, parking charges and speed limits?
For accuracy I said your scenerio's were invalid because they made no sense. Just nonsensical. Not because of where you are.
Ultimately our cities can't take the traffic that's trying to squeeze into them. And it's getting worse.
So you expect better off visitors to hospitals to get a subsidy that isn't available to lower earning visitors to hospitals?
Or should hospitals be paying for bus fares and tram fares for their less well off visitors?
Emissions. Read back others were discussing it.
Nobody going to visit someone in hospital should have to pay for parking.
That was the commute being discussed.
I haven't figured it out. There's lots of studies and data on commuting and transport. I've just read them before. When fact checking media articles out of curiosity.
I've also done long commutes and multimodal commutes. Used most common forms of transport to commute. In different countries. I've switched between all different modes of transport depends on the situation.
Every journey is different. What works for you now may not work next week. That just how it is.
Should poorer visitors who can't afford cars have to pay for bus fare or train fare?
Should people who have cars get free fuel to travel there?
Two completely different things and you know it is.
If want you free public transport, does that mean the entire cost of the car journey should also be free.
Don't be daft!
If, for example, the car park in St. James' Hospital was free then it would be used constantly by city commuters who then hop on the luas into the centre. There would be feck all spaces for hospital visitors and patients.
Anyhow, as I told you earlier, parking charges have been in place at hospitals and other public locatikns dor decades. You're not going to see a reversal of that now, no matter how much you oppose them!
Parking and transport to hospitals is a whole different subject.
Anyway patients attending appointments with chronic illnesses such as cancer don't even get free parking in most Dublin hospitals so the point is moot.
Free parking isn't free. Someone has to pay to provide and manage the facility.
Who do you think should pay for this facility for better off hospital visitors?
Because parking is for better off people and public transport is for worse off people, obvs.
Sounds like it's not the cost, but controlling the parking that's the issue on that case.
Cost of parking is a different issue. Someone doing long distances for regular appointments or treatments it's significant because we've stripped services from elsewhere to centralize them in Dublin. Or someone with mobility issues.
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