The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
I'd say a person is far more likely to get injured in a car accident than be attacked/mugged or whatever on public transport. It happens and it seems like it has gotten more frequent unfortunately but I think it is still quite isolated. I know loads of people who have been injured in car accidents but I only know one person who was injured using public transport and that was when a driver pulled out in front of a bus and the bus has to stop quickly.
What nonsense. I gave you journal articles I can post more.
The point is again for you. The Government are trying to charge a congestion tax.
THEY are not offering or providing an alternative to the car at the same level of convenience or safety.
This is my point. If you are happy with this good on you.
But many others me included are not and will stick to the car.
Hear hear.
Its all very well to talk about Cities like NY and Paris and London, when really in Dublin we are more like an Edinburgh or a Birmingham or a Cologne and look at the various stages of progress each of those cities are at.
Below is the graphical map of Cologne public transport; metro, underground, trams, heavy rail links, all there, all comprehensive. Population? 1.1 million.
The Irish Government can either get very serious about comprehensive, predictable, reliable, safe and frequent public transport options for the Capital, or they can sit the **** down and stop pissing everybody off with their nonsense and their ever increasing stealth taxes.
In fairness Cologne had 34,711 long tons of bombs dropped on the city by the RAF during WW2 so they redesigned and rebuilt it completely after the war, Dublin is a city over 1000 years old, so is an almost impossible task to build things like an Underground...
We’re getting bigger but yet the sugar tax was supposed to curb that… hmm
sounds to me like a BS tax with silly reasons to implement it. Also if it’s to tackle obesity why is it just fizzy drinks?
chocolate, jellies, sugary foods in general are not taxed more but Coca Cola is €2.50 for 1.5L and Coke Zero is €2.50 for 2L. I don’t get it.
Especially because in my experience (just my own) overweight people tend to drink diet/sugar free versions anyway.. which by the way have been proven over and over to be WORSE for you! 😅
Luckily school children, the elderly, all sorts really are fearless enough to use public transport in Ireland. It won't be a few oddballs scared of cities that get to dictate transport policy thankfully.
So basically everything you said was just nonsense.
Congestion charge will only be where there is....actual congestion. It's a simple concept.
You can hardly complain about congestion charge since you're the one causing the congestion.
That's correct regarding congestion. Which you seem happy to pay a tax which actually wont solve the issue.
How about solving the problem instead of taxing it.
In actual fact what are you saying that people should not have a say in the Countries policies outside of effected areas?
Your also saying I will never visit these areas once charges are implemented for one reason or another.
That's a lot of nonsense.
What is nonsense on here are people assuming everything but actually meaning nothing.
Yes public transport where it exists in Ireland.
Here is one for you so. I have a consultants appointment Tuesday next next to Connolly station at 10.45 am.
Using public transport only can you get me from Aglish Co Tipperary on public transport only to Connolly by 10.45am.?
I seriously doubt it. That's the argument here in essence.
People cant move from.cars as there is no alternative available to them in a lot of cases.
Sure you wouldn't use it anyway as you said its too dangerous.
YOURE saying you will almost never be effected by it. Not me.
YOU'RE complaining about public transport that you don't use, that you CAN'T use.
The solution is to make driving as awkward and expensive so you stop causing congestion.
You mean that (some) people *won't* move from cars and that's fine but should it be brought in, they will then be subject to a congestion charge. It will be their choice made presumably for convenience but don't make out that you had absolutely no other option!
Not every journey can realistically be done by public transport, cycling or walking. I don't think any one is saying it can. I don't get what point you are trying to make though.
Maybe you could tell me how I can drive from one end of Grafton street to the other instead of walking, because there's no public transport and someone got mugged there once so it's dangerous.
Boo! No one’s done it. Let me try.
will edit with my findings.
okay it can be done, you’ll arrive at 9:11am but seeing as buses are always late, we’ll say 10am.
6:30am taxi from Aglish to Birr (if you don’t count taxi as PT then from here you can ignore).
Birr take the 845 bus at 6:55am to Tullamore Train Station towards Hueston
From hueston take a Luas (Red Line) to Busaras.
Then walk to Connolly ye lazy fecker it’s across the street.
So all in all you’d be travelling for 2:40 mins. We’ll be realistic and say 3 hours.
Roughly 2 hours by car. You also wouldn’t have to leave the house for 6:30am.
Yes that is the solution. You are correct.
I'm not complaining. I'm merely saying what will the congestion tax solve .
People who need to work in congestion areas will still need to be in those areas.
They will incur a further tax now for having to go to work etc.
Is this progressive as a transport policy ?
Why don't the government implement and invest in the alternative to reduce congestion at a priority instead of taxing an existing problem.
I actually would in the name of reducing congestion and emissions.
If it existed. But it doesn't.
Government solution Solution another tax on the car and a pay rise all round.
And people like you will vote them in every time. Well done.
The point is why introduce another motoring tax on top of tolls, carbon in fuel tax,excise on fuel, road/motor tax, tax in insurance. On to the motorist to reduce congestion.
All this and no decent alternative offered first.
I examples one journey in to the congestion zone I'm sure there are hundreds.
But lets ignore that as its easiest to that the motorist and label them as not wanting to give up their cars to solve the issue.
It's like an episode of Fr Ted .
If someone is working in Dublin city center and commuting from tipp everyday. Planning 4hrs driving a day. A congestion charge will be the least of your cost and worries.
Huge tolls on route and congestion charges will solve that.
Well, here it is in Black n' White: https://www.newstalk.com/newstalk-breakfast/no-interest-in-free-buses-an-indictment-of-how-bad-public-transport-is-1444998
"A new study showing free buses and trains would barely impact on car usage is “an indictment about how bad our public transport network is"
Ha ha fair play to you for doing that.
But it's a trek both ways isnt it not to mention cost.
Taxi. Bus. Train luas. I'd be looking at about €60 one way plus.
But fair play. You made the point well.
But the car trumps it cost and time wise for me I'm sorry.
I never said I work in Dublin evey day.
Not once.
Think of Huge Tolls and congestion charges next time your shopping for groceries.
Because the lorries transporting those necessities will need to pass on that cost.
Them Dail Bar pints and pay rises and trips to China wont pay for themselves.
Oh all this on 16% inflation on groceries.
That wont be read on here!!! There might be hard truths on it.
Did you not know people drive cars in Ireland in spite of the German style public transport network we have!
And because of that spite its tax the motorist ......again!!
Actually not true at all re tolls. You can get to Dublin City (Connolly) in 2hr 8 mins avoiding tolls & just under 2hrs with. (According to maps). Obviously real world will differ but you can do it toll free.
Sure if they had a lick of sense all the major suppliers would Lorry-Pool the deliveries
😂
Or give the diliveroo lads a shout. A tonne pallet of cornflakes on the carrier of the push bike up the cycle lane.
Thinking about it the horse and cart might make a come back!
The horse **** on the road wont be as bad as the horse **** that we get from posters on this thread.
My point was add more tolls until you can't.
so make it more difficult for people to pay their bills because they work in the city?
God you’re a riot.
You're just proving my point. You won't even be effected by the congestion charge.
Personally I don't buy groceries in the city center. Neither do you. Those trucks won't pass through it either. I don't do a 4hr journey to buy them in tipp either. It's a false argument.
Sounds like you don't know how deliveries work.
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