The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
Why? I never said that they did anything with taxes. However, posters have made the claim that the Greens love taxing the poor or how introducing taxes is a favourite pastime of the greens which is clearly untrue!
Well they haven’t reduced the tax burden either.
Who introduced carbon taxes?
Did they say they would?
I think it was in the Finance Act 2010 introduced by a government comprised of Fianna Fail, the PDs, the Greens and some independents. Again, the Greens didn't hold a finance portfolio.
Did the greens push for it by any chance?
I wasnt in the cabinet meetings so maybe you tell me!
It was something being introduced in most progressive countries at the time so we've No way of pointing it at the Greens only. I'd say Revenue were thr most vocal for it in which case it was the Minister for Finance (Brian Lenihan) that pushed it.
Do you really think our emissions targets came from the Greens?
So hypothetically speaking if a green minister was to threaten to pull out of a coalition government and collapse said government- if a certain tax wasn’t introduced or increased- because that minister wouldn’t be finance minister, the greens wouldn’t have caused the tax to come in or increase.
It would be the finance minister who brought it in- correct?
Ooh great, a what-if guessing game.
only a small problem with your planned trip to the zoo.
The Parade.
Plus they have shut down a lot of the parking around the zoo. The zoo car park will be full at 9.30 if not before, and the park will also be full so best of luck getting parking.
It would be better on weekend like that if the park was totally shut down to traffic to make it safe for families to use the park/zoo etc.
Well, No.
Nah I’ve gone before when the parade was on. No problem if you go early enough.
ok.
56 minutes of walking? at the moment (which admittedly, is at 10:40pm), from the yellow house, google maps is showing a total of nine minutes of walking, to the zoo; the entire trip, walking sections included, are less than the 56 minutes you mention. granted, you don't live at the yellow house, but what route suggested two buses and a 56 minute walk?
If they want people to stop entering the city where's the public transport that's needed before making these proposals? Lets be real here this is never going to happen but its a good way to piss people off.
56 minutes of walking and busses. That original post was supposed to say 56 mins of walking and two busses.
8 min walk to the 15 bus stop. Then get off the bus walk to the c5/c6 bus stop then get off and walk 11mins to the zoo.
vs
21 mins in a car door to door.
Define irony?
This thread had the potential to have good conversation in here.
I would've gave my two cents too as an ex Dublin bus driver and bus Éireann driver. Now living in a massive city without car tax, no congestion charges and cheap fuel, I can say first hand that the greens memo won't fix the issue.
I won't say anymore because unfortunately the content of this thread has already gone down the drain by a bunch of cyclists in their true fashion.
Wht cant we get some of these dopes (greens) on the tv and riddle the dumbasses with these questions. Go through them for a shortcut and out the other side by a decent interviewer.
Nobody is trying to stop people entering the city so I'm not sure where you got that notion.
As for PT improvements, there have been significant changes already over the last number of years with loads more due. PT has been neglected for decades and finally is being given proper attention. There still are issues but it is being transformed like never seen before.
I'm guessing that his logic is that rather than walk a few hundred metres, people would get the bus to go one stop which would invariably piss off people who are trying to travel a much longer distance.
You have to throw in sarcasm on top of everything else? If this man had logic he'd be dangerous. Fix the improvements before applying the tax its as simple as that.
I drive. I cycle. I walk. I use public transport. So am I a cyclist or not?
Assuming you categorise me as a cyclist, note that AFAIK I did not mention anything about cycling in this thread until some against the government proposals raised it first.
What are your own suggestions for how Ireland's emissions targets should be reached, and specifically how the transport sector's carbon reductions should be achieved?
I actually don't care anymore about emissions. The whole green charade is about fleecing ordinary workers and nothing else. And I know plenty of others who think the same. The greens are losing the dressing room rapidly and the next election will demonstrate that to it's utmost....
I think you've hit the nail on the head there - not enough people care about emissions enough to change their behaviour significantly, which is why measures like what this thread is about have to be considered at the level of government. Blaming the greens is an easy reaction, but the fact is that this is a global problem and it is far bigger than than the tiny Irish Green Party. Getting the Greens out of government, if it happens, won't make much difference.
Wait until the completion of bus connects in its entirety including the dedicated bus corridors are built and adequate drivers are hired to drive all the shiny new EV busses.
Wait until metro link is built and ready.
Build park and rides on the outskirts of the city with express busses going to transport hubs (for example the red cow Luas stop and then on into city centre but stopping at bus connects orbital routes). The stick in this case is a toll on the city side of the park and ride so you are incentivising parking in the P+R.
The important thing is the alternatives are built before taxing and charging the crap out of people
Why would they care when there's no other alternative?
While I see the irony I don't agree with free public transport. The cost should be much lower though.
In Vienna an annual pass for all modes costs €365. How much is such a ticket in Dublin? €1550. People will say oh but it's half that if you get it through the taxsaver scheme. Not all employers offer this scheme and not everyone pays the higher rate of tax. Even still its double the price of the ticket in Vienna.
My brother lives in Newbridge. €17 a day return to Dublin but the government/NTA encourages people to drive to Sallins where they could avail of the lower short hop fares. They have even added increased car parking at Sallins in the last year so they are not serious about stopping people driving past their local train station.
Re Ryan and the 'unnecessary journeys' line - he cited research (which is due to be made public in the coming days, AFAIK) that making PT free would cost a minimum of €540m p.a. - my own take is that if you have half a billion to spend on making what is there free, or spending the money to make it better, you're far better off making it better.
What viable alternatives are not being provided? Buy an e-bike, problem solved.
Most journies in cities can be completed faster on a regular bike, never mind an e-bike, plus the additional health & well-being benefits.
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