The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
We're going down all these holes of arguing about subsidising car parking etc....
...trying to have a balanced debate with vegan plantmilk drinking cyclists is about as fair as discussing building more cycle lanes with an American driving a 6 litre V8 pickup truck, i.e. too biased!
Not only will this congestion charge affect the cost of people who are barely able to cover their household bills but will also have a knock on effect for delivery drivers, tradesmen and taxi's (unless exemptions are granted) and that cost will be passed onto the consumer increasing inflation... Also if a driver has to park his vehicle all day whilst working on someones home the cost of parking will be extremely high for the day(s) he's parked .. again adding to your bill..
Reducing the speed limit by 20kph will mean that delivery truck average speeds will be greatly reduced as they get caught behind slow drivers (a massive problem for trucks) so that will add costs and time to goods getting to supermarkets etc.
The only other thing a congestion charge will reduce are the cars of lower paid workers trying to get into work etc.
You said it rains 70% of the time in Ireland. That alone means you're not serious.
I'm not really sure why you are bundling "sunday cyclists" into a discussion about government proposals for reducing the number of people driving into cities. Plus, "sunday cyclists" are unlikely to use cycle lanes as they tend not to be in urban areas plus they travel in groups (plus cycle lanes tend to be sh1te).
However, to raise lycra is a bit stupid. People don't obsess over the clothing worn by people participating in other sports, so why cycling? Also remember that if the person cycling in front of you wasn't in lycra but in loose flappy clothing, they would be moving more slowly - is that what you want?
However, I would repeat the claim that was made by TM: in the past few years, I've cycled about 12,000kms per year, cycling all year round. I rarely get wet. However, to use the phrase "there is no bad weather, just bad clothing" would be apt here! As a cyclist, rain isn't really an issue when compared to wind.
Yes I am not a serious poster.
Course it never rains in Ireland and we should all cycle in the Sun like our warm European cousins such as Greece, Spain , Italy etc. As there are zero cars there also.
I love getting a rise here as I take it so serious.
Your way to clever for me.
Speaking of ignorance. If read correctly. The point of the sunday cyclist was in relation to weather which you have left out of context.
The point being if the committed cyclist group wont cycle in winter there must be something up weather wise.
Reducing motor traffic wasnt mentioned. Though one could argue is there figures on the cycle lanes being built taking road space and its usage?
"If I cycle in a bus lane, it is because I am legally allowed to do so".
That you cannot see the shocking double standard displayed by your own behaviour when you accuse others of "entitlement" beggars belief - perhaps the clapping seals in the Cycling forum might hoot in support, but everyone else reads the sentence above and knows exactly what you are - and "entitled" is certainly one of the descriptors. I am referring to multiple videos showing that you choose to delay hundreds of people using public transport rather than use the cycle facilities provided at no doubt considerable expense alongside - simply because you are "legally allowed to do so".
So you didn't read my post. I didn't delay anyone any more than someone driving in front of you is holding you up. I was travelling completely legally and have made a choice to use a bus lane because when i travel between 30-40km/h, it is simply not safe to do this speed on a poorly designed cycle track that is shared with pedestrians, joggers, dogs never mind the abundance of leaves, branches, stones and glass coupled with sign posts and occasionally a garda speed van. Then you need to factor in the need to stop at every junction because priority is generally given to everyone else including private entrances. Whilst it may have been constructed at considerable expense, it wasn't constructed with commuting cyclists in mind. It isn't entitlement. The alternative simply is not an option when commuting despite your incorrect belief that it is a "perfectly good cycle lane".
Incidentally, would you mind showing me which video(s) caused me to delay hundreds of people using public transport?
Remember folks, read the various fora here and these same few guys (and they are all angry middle aged men) are the majority cheerleaders for what are claimed to be improvements in public transport and active travel. They have no interest in public transport - in fact they detest the people that use it ("Can't afford to live a short cycle from work? LOL, fock you guys!") and go out of their way to delay public transport users because they're entitled to do so because - or so they claim - the facilities that they've been provided with are "not good enough". Funny, they never seem to be good enough. One particularly obnoxious cycling Youtuber here in Cork who seems to get into altercations daily has even said he doesn't use cycle lanes because rabbits might run out of the ditch - those damn rabbits eh? It's why the BusConnects plan (in Cork at least) literally features more cycle lanes than bus lanes, despite the name. It's also why some of the new 'active travel' developments here in Cork corral pedestrians (who comprise about ten times the modal share of cyclists) into a fraction of the space reserved for cyclists at the same location (who, of course, rarely use it anyway). I've even seen a diagram of road user hierarchy produced which, through some extreme perversion of logic, positions cyclists as the 'top of the food chain' of road users, even more so than pedestrians.
Anyone who is not one of the tiny number for whom private transport by bicycle is a viable option should beware most of these 'improvements' - because they are ultimately not designed to improve your experience.
You have gone off on a weird tangent here wiht your own personal experiences which is a rabbit hole I don't want to descend. However, to address a few points:
It is unfortunate that many of the people I share the roads with are too intolerant to understand that they share the roads. The assumption amongst many is that someone on a bike is a lower form of road user and therefore are a valid target for abuse. Your obvious lack of understanding of cycling infrastructure is evident and that you accuse me of delaying people despite missing the obvious point that while I'm moving, a bus may be unable to overtake me because of three lanes of single occupancy cars preventing them from moving out which are presumably moving more slowly than me. You also ignore the fact that the driver in front of you is delaying you - is this because they are driving rather than cycling?
I literally linked you the documents and you're still banging on about other garbage. Are you too lazy to read them or what? You're a comical poster I must say. 😂😂🤣🤣
Let me help you, it's literally in the first few pages in the document I linked for you.
No but I should also not expect to be punished for driving to a city where I work when the underlining reason for wanting this charge is because of C02 emissions and as I say if every person in Ireland stopped driving from today it wont make a blind bit of difference as long as China, The US, India and Russia go on with their day to day practice's. So why are we crucifying the general public when we are producing less than .01% of the emissions. I mean its not like there is a cheap alternatives in Dublin for renting or buying at the moment and properties for sale and rent are at a record low number. Its not like we have a decent alternatives to the car for the vast majority of our population outside of Dublin who have to come in to work. So what is the green answer lets throw yet another tax you would swear people have plenty of cash and that we are not in the grips of a cost of living crisis.
I think you'll find most of the population lives outside Dublin. You need to climb out of that hole you're in and wake the fk up. If any of these lunatic proposals they keep coming up with came to light the country would come to a standstill in the morning.
there's a lot of fuss (on twitter anyway) about the examiner article reporting Ryan's comments that free PT would increase unnecessary trips; FWIW, this is the source of the examiner article, probably worth reading his comments in context.
i'd be curious if 'unnecessary trips' has a dry academic meaning - i.e. simply that they're trips that wouldn't have been made otherwise, or is the meaning more casual?
Your keyboard seems to be stuck on bold and repeating the same text over and over again. Have you tried switching yourself off and back on again?
I got a new cycling jacket sometime in October or November last year. Yesterday was the first time I got caught in serious rain to test out the rainproofing. It worked fine btw.
Is there any chance you could stop the strawmen? Making things up with "so are you now saying...." is very dishonest posting. 🙄
I doubt many areas with industrial estates will be affected by a congestion charge.
Do you want me to put up my finances. The fact is I could not afford the prices at the time when I was buying. The fact is life moves on you have kids who get settled the fact is finding a school place where your kids will be accepted and can walk to the school is now a near lottery or maybe you would be happy if I drove them to school every morning which doesn't fit in the greeny agenda. The fact is that prices in Dublin as apposed to where I am now has a higher differential between the 2 areas from when I bought. If people work in Dublin they have the right to drive there if there is no valid alternatives. So please don't tell me what I could or could not afford. Dublin is a very expensive city to buy or rent in and the number of properties available is at a shockingly low level. Maybe my family and I could move into a 1 bed apartment with another family ye know for the good of the planet. <Snip>
I work from home most of week but employer requires to come in increasingly often, there are millions in same boat
And will you be affected by the proposals (which aren't yet anything more than proposals)?
Does your employer require you to drive door to door? Have you absolutely no other options to get to your workplace?
we are told this brainfart is done to reduce co2 but no one here is able to articulate how much co2
maybe ask the Dept for details on their proposals?
ensuring that employers can not require those who can work remotely (and illustrated it during years of covid) to commute would imho do more to save co2
Agreed but not everyone can work from home (and they possibly were furloughed during the pandemic). For this reason, we need to make sure that those people who work in city centres are able to travel into those cities in a manner that is both efficient and sustainable.
as for your “sure just live in a city” proposal, hahahahah that’s daft.ie
So you think it is daft to want to live close to your workplace? Do you think it is sustainable for someone to commute every day from say cavan to work in Dublin? Would they not be better off if they could work in Cavan (or live closer to Dublin)?
FFS did you not read what I gave you? 🙄 Try again.
So you're basically getting outraged about a series of proposals in a document but you refuse to read the document it relates to while remaining outraged about said document. Clearly you're not a serious poster. Keep up the good work. 🤣
The ban is 2035 now as the EU told the government that it would breach single market competition rules.
Firstly the ban on selling petrol and diesel cars starts in 2030, and we are no where near the targets on new car EV sales. Electric cars are often charged overnight from wind and are a good option. Electric busses are far better, carry more people without the parking need.
Firstly I would encourage everyone to try base you life around not commuting, as in make job and home choices around not commuting such as working from home or living close to work. Not easily done, but if buying a house consider do you want to spend 2 hours a day for 40 years commuting with possible increased taxes.
Work from home is a big part of the solution. One stick is to make going to office by car expensive.
Public transport and taxis really are not working today, I don't get bus regularly and when I do there is no shows, busses full, busses late, no bus option to where I want to go. There is a massive shortage of bus drivers and taxi drivers. People don't want to work shift in stressful jobs and are leaving the industry.
Congestion charges will come eventually, very expensive parking in city centres is already a reality and I will try get the bus when I can, or car share etc.
However there needs to be a place for a car, unless we flood the cities with taxis. Things like weekly food shop, bringing babies to creche, bringing kids to school where you then go on to work by car etc. Lots of jobs are in areas with no busses such as many industrial estates.
I moved closer to work to avoid tolls, fuel costs, car maintenance and time wasted commuting. Not possible for everyone but my quality of life has improved and my costs have reduced.
I'm not the one arguing for a subsidy to better off healthcare workers at the expense of their lower paid colleagues.
Have you a clue about how Government works? You know that there's 14 other (democratically elected and appointed) Ministers who need to agree to such proposals, 13 of them not being Greens? We live in a democracy, and that is very precious and potentially quite fragile.
The Greens aren't 'in power' now. They are a minority member of a coalition, who have managed to persuade their colleagues that this stuff needs doing.
You seem to have dropped your faux concern for nurses needing that I believe you introduced into the thread back in post #247...
You don't need me to tell you about that, i'm sure you'll campaign for the healthcare workers vigorously with your local T.D?
Here you go. Take a read and I'm sure you'll find all the answers you're looking for.
It is deriving from the climate action act. I just said the details have to be investigated now based on the high level proposals being put forward. Are you having difficulty understanding what's actually going on here?
Would you calm down moving the goalposts. We'll be on a different pitch shortly with your strawmen.
That's what this is to determine over the next year or so. Have you not read what this is actually about?? You should calm yourself down and read what's on the table. There's a series of high level proposals that now need to be investigated fully. Nobody is coming to take your car away tomorrow morning. Relax.
Who told you the fleet would be electric by 2030? Are you making things up again? I think so. The most optimistic forecast of 1m EVs would equate to only about 30% of vehicles.
It will be hilarious when they can't go on greeny death cult eamon ryan lycra rants when greens are no longer in power
They are in for a rude awakening. SF transport policy is similar to Green with much expanded cycling and public transport and a serious clamp down in private car use. Hilariously people think this is only a Green Party policy.
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