The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
Your example journey won't be hit with congestion charges. It an orbital local route. So NO it its got nothing to do with it.
You're in Blackrock with every option available easily to you. You've already got stupidly convenient options. The problem isn't the options.
Just tested this out on google maps. Leaving Maynooth train station now to O'Connell street.
35 minutes drive versus 56 minutes via a train, bus or green line luas combination. You will also have to wait 26 minutes for the next train rather than leaving now further delaying your arrival.
Are there congestion charges planned for region rural towns? No.
If you choose to live (or work) in a rural location thats your own issue.
If people actually thought the end of civilization was coming due to driving a car we would voluntarily give them up.
Get the train to work 2 days a week. Much quicker than driving and less hassle/cheaper i.e. no traffic/parking to deal with. And no I don't live in Dublin nor commute to Dublin.
35 min drive from O'Connell Street to Maynooth. I guess you don't live or drive in Dublin, even the most optimistic person knows that would be impossible unless it is Sunday and then you have to home no games on
Anyway, the train goes from Connelly Train station so best to use that as a starting location to get a proper guide.
Now I work 9-5 so I am leaving my office at 5.
It will take me 38 mins on a train
In a car, well google maps is 55 min, which as we an see is not really what would happen in reality, At 5 you would probably look at 90 mins or even a crash, which is very likely to happen you can start putting hours on it
When I go to Liffey valley shopping and have to drive around the car parks looking for a spot it's actually an illusion. The car parks are not actually full.
Ok
What you're not including in the driving scenario is the time spent looking for a parking spot and the time spent walking from the car park to O'Connell St whereas I think your train journey includes this figure (or it did when I checked!)
A car crash, which is a very regular occurrence in Dublin with so many moving around shuts down an entire route. Even if not injuries, people standing blocking roads/roundabout arguing who was at fault while they wait for Gardai. The dinner gets ruined.
Weren't they partly full of commuters not shoppers? Hence the parking charge.
Jaysus 😂
It’s getting out of control tbh
Why make someones life harder and increase time and cost that could otherwise be spent more effectively? What's the point in adding hours and hours standing waiting around on Buses?
Bus lanes into the city are not short on private vehicles and empty taxi's any day of the week...
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidmacuidhir/status/1630837900798558208
In the city that one person in a car isn't getting there faster and it's actually holding up everyone on the bus. Not to mention the pollution in the city.
Your driving scenario doesn't include cost and time to find parking and walking to O'Connell Street from the car park.
It is also during the day, the mass movement of people happen at 8 in morning to get in for 9 and at 5 to get home.
Why make someones life harder and increase time and cost that could otherwise be spent more effectively?
It is not making someone's life harder. It is making the choice to drive less easy. It is far too easy to hop into the car and drive wherever one wants. Short journeys down to the shop to get a litre of milk should not be an easy decision.
As for the cost, if someone chooses to drive then they have already chosen to absorb a huge cost through ownership, motor tax, insurance, fuel, serivcing, etc. What you seem to want is a society where anyone who wants to travel into a city should have to face those costs. Why would you want that?
Anyhow, how would you propose to spend the cost more effectively?
What's the point in adding hours and hours standing waiting around on Buses?
I presume that you are aware that the biggest delay to public transport in our cities tends to be drivers blocking bus lanes?
I will also add a footnote to that that I seriously hope taxis are prevented from using bus lanes once and for all!
Anything Southside?
There's actually plans for more along the N11 before the Glen of the Downs, served by buses. But I definitely agree it's an under utilised option.
The post I was replying to, yours I think, said that the train was quicker no matter what time of day. That is the bit I am disputing because its simply untrue.
But the example you provided did not contain the total time for the driver which did serve your point.
by making it "less easy" you mean making it more expensive, adding a congestion charge or making fuel more expensive won't make any difference to a family where both parents are in well paid jobs and who may have a couple of new BMW/Audi's in the driveway, they'll just pay the charge... it will impact a less well off family driving an older car and who rely on it to get quickly to work, especially shift workers who may not finish up until 11 or 12 midnight...
Getting in a car to go 2k to get milk, bread whatever is the only option for otherwise mobile persons, even in the majority of Dublin getting the 2k to the shop may involve multiple road crossings and be too physically demanding especially if they're elderly.. walking to the nearest bus stop make take longer than the entire journey to and from the shop in their cars...
Ok so throw in a few extra minutes to dump the car in the Arnotts car park.
I'd wonder how many elderly people there are that can drive a car and deal with all the stress of parking etc. that are unable to walk to the shops to buy milk (plant based hopefully). People always discuss this fictional elderly person but I've yet to meet any. None of my 4 grandparents had cars and they managed ok.
If you are incapable of walking 2k to the shops then they should be in a mobility scooter.
If they are really old and can't make that distance for the safety of everyone else the last thing they should be in is a car.
Of course you can make up many many many imaginary scenarios to complain about moving to public transport, the reality is the majority of people in Ireland are well capable of using public transport and not cars.
In other scenarios for a select few they would have to be reviewed.
It makes total sense but thanks anyway
Some people actually have genuine concerns that don't align with others perfect utopia. Not always rabbling nonsense no matter how hard some people try to belittle it
...and a few minutes to find a space. Plus a few minutes to walk to O'Connell St.
If you want to compare two modes of transport then please be transparent in the process!
You see Eamon Ryan and his ilk believe if we implement all these recommendations that there will be no cars on the road and everyone will be using the brilliant public transport we have lol. That's the problem with Ryan and co they are pure dreamers and don't actually understand the real world. None of these recommendations will be implemented until we have a proper transport system in our cities and guess what that's about 50 years away. It's laughable stuff tbh. Why don't Ryan and co stop public servants having access to free car parking unless your a nurse, front line etc ? All x ministers and senators still have free access to the dail car park , stop that also maybe ? No chance
That sounds pretty ageist, with a touch of "if it's good enough for.....".............our senior citizens deserve a bit more respect than that...!
Right on man!
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