The government are currently investigating increased parking, congestion charges and speed limit reductions in order to help the country meet its climate goals. Looks like a split in the coalition is emerging over the proposals, which are likely to be deeply unpopular. Do you see anything of the proposed that could be considered politically palatable?
You're describing a pretty normal public transport journey there for any city though. Like I live about a 15 min cycle from Liverpool St Station but it would take about 45 mins to walk and get a bus there and sit in traffic. Like what do people expect ffs.
You decide to pick a cinema thats entirely out of your way. Bypassing who knows how many cinemas en-route.
Its 40+ mins on a circular route by train when its a 25 min cycle.
They will NEVER ever get people to use public transport as the defacto option if this is the alternative to a very short car ride.
I think you are proving the point they need to make your car more inconvenient before you switch.
Also there's unlikely ever to be a congestion charge between Blackrock and Dundrum on a Bank holiday or a problem with parking in a shopping center.
It's deeply weird how people misunderstand the difference between 'reduce' and 'ban'.
'wanting to reduce unnecessary car journeys' and 'stopping people from using their cars' are not the same thing.
It wasn't a cinema showing, it was a theatre production so not anywhere else to watch it.
LOL cmon, if I was going to the cinema I can walk to DL. I'm pointing out that the new bus connects program, that was allegedly brought in to change the "all roads lead to Dublin city" issue with more cross town routes that don't go into the city. The bus connects programme leads a lot to be desired.
I'm also aware it was my choice to do this, but it highlights how inconvenient it is.
That example is not a case of poor infrastructure. It deciding to live away from everything, and expecting the mountain to move to you.
Exactly this. I'd be happy to use public transport if it wasn't both more expensive and less convenient than driving is. But trying to solve that just by making driving more expensive is daft.
You made it inconvenient. Its a daft argument and nothing to do with congestion charge.
People expect public transport journey times to be competitive with the alternative. Its not that unreasonable.
It has everything to do with congestion charges. Its one example, of many, where public transport is a total joke in Dublin, the same Dublin where they want to bring a congestion charge in.
People will not abandon cars until public transport is the stupidly convenient option.
They will be when we make it much harder to drive into cities.
That's true, for me to drive to the office it's 12mins, to get public transport it's 3 x times that... the choice is clear..
No, I’ve been all over Europe including living in Paris.
my journey to work…
7.5 kilometers - 26 minutes according to google maps, on foot and metro / RER
this journey for family member
5 kilometres approximately - 50 minutes
its not about inconveniencing car drivers , it’s about giving convenience to car drivers by having an appropriate, effective, connected, efficient and far reaching public transportation, ie. a metro..
The choice is clear that we need to make it harder for people driving when they can take a 36 minute public transport journey
Most people don't have confidence in that. Your response also suggested that it was unreasonable to expect such a thing whilst citing an example from a city with a congestion charge.
"Like what do people expect ffs"
Every Bus and train is packed to the gills - Where exactly will all these drivers go when they stop driving?
You can't "make it harder to drive into Cities" without "making to easier not to".
No one is arguing with the basic premise of reducing car journeys and carbon emissions etc.
The argument is about the best way to do it - Penalising car drivers ahead of the provision of viable alternatives is not the right way to do it.
Ok but no one is being penalised yet and plans are in place to improve everything else, so don't worry about it for now
Because punishing people for making the "wrong" choice is so much more satisfying than making the "right" choice more reasonable.
Packed to the gills off peak.
population is spiking out of control but get out of your cars, into a bus Q for a bus which you might not be able to get on.
The issue is that introducing the penalties is orders of magnitude easier and cheaper that the investment of money and time required to build the alternatives which means we get more stick and far less carrot a lot sooner than we should if we are trying to be fair.
Building a new rail line or bus corridor takes years and tens of millions of euro , Quadrupling parking charges is completed overnight with the stroke of a pen.
So which choice will a politician make??
you mean i dont suck you dry for it....... this is looking like a far better deal for me now :P
In anywho, prices for everything are really becoming a joke, one garage in my local town is 149.9 for petrol and the rest are 165.9. its going to be madness later on in the year when all the government schemes stop.
I agree with you on the "mansion in the middle of nowhere" - one off-housing is an almost insurmountable barrier when it comes to economical or anyway practical public transport for a huge proportion of our population, but repartitions (in the form of fuel taxes) for decades of awful planning policy is now being foisted on individuals who saw no other choice on where to raise their families.
I live just over 1km from Stephens Green. I have the Aircoach on my doorstep, a bus to the city center every 5 minutes, DublinBikes minutes away, private secure parking for my bikes, ability to charge my car on my doorstep or at a fast-charger 5 mins away. I pay dearly to live in a 1 bedroom apartment in the area, and like you I have very little sympathy for mansion dwellers who complain about no broadband or busses.
But, my job means that I need to work in a town 30 minutes from Galway. It has a population of 9,000, not huge but not tiny. After 10pm, no public transports exists from Galway, or to anywhere else for that matter. People who live in a large regional town, often in modest houses, who have done their level best to limit their car usage within the confines of their income (not being able to afford a house in Galway), are still forced into their car if they work shifts, go out with friends in the city, or dare to travel for any reason whatsoever outside of peak times. I think that's totally unreasonable, and there are plenty of people who fall into that category, who certainly aren't living in mansion.
And I know the retort will be that public transport to such towns isn't viable because so many people are driving, but put in the (loss making) public transport FIRST, and THEN raise taxes on private car usage.
Galway seem to do everything possible to stop any progress on stopping car reliance though, hard to feel sorry for them. The ring road will only make even more people reliant on cars too whenever it gets built.
Isn't it interesting about Fairview that people chose the next best option and just ignored the restrictions, which seems to be working fine.
You mean the Garda chose not to police it
Take a train into Dublin from outskirts and it is quicker than driving, no matter what time of the day
"the Greens" can't implement anything on their own.
This seems to be based on city traffic so yes people have alternatives
Plus the bus's just had a huge announcement of additional services outside of cities
From: "All well and good if you live within cycling or walking distance of your workplace and you have a 9-5 or even a flexi time arrangement in work, as many of the Green Party do - for the rest of the unfortunates it’s just placing even more financial burdens on to them"
No idea what this is about? it make zero sense
In terms of people living outside Dublin, well work from home is a big initiative recently for a lot of people. Plus I would expect more options like M3 parkway which is set up for commuters to get access to city centre quickly via trains running just for 9-5 workers. Unfortunately at the moment those pesky Green party members on flexi time are not catered for :-)
The vast majority are heeding the restrictions. It is only a small minority who break the diversion rules here so your attempt at saving face for your wildly inaccurate and repeated projections of a u-turn were wrong.
All of which is ignored by AGS because somehow traffic isn't part of their remit it seems.
Why do both? thats just a complete waste of public money. Ireland has a small population so investing in long term public transport will provide better payback for everyone in the future
Plus we have already invested a massive amount of money into a World Class road system. That has been done for 50+ years now if not more. So apart from general upkeep no more invested should be required.
This isn't about just Galway though, there are plenty of regional towns across the country where having a car is not just an absolute necessity, it is necessary to use it for the majority of journeys.
