Irish Traveller culture to be promoted through school curriculum: Posted on BBC website!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120320179#Comment_120320179

Saying what stuff? They’re in no doubt whatsoever that middle-class Ireland wants nothing to do with them. They’re not a proud people who say sorry for nothing either, there’s a few of ‘em just don’t give a fcuk, that’s not the same as being sorry for nothing, and it’s certainly not motivated by pride, it’s motivated by their own prejudices towards people who aren’t travellers.

This thread though is about a curriculum in Irish schools, where it’s not that parents withdraw their children early from school, it’s just as difficult to be a traveller child in school in the first place, and that’s if they can get in at all. There are numerous cases of traveller parents experiencing difficulties in enrolling their children in local schools -

https://www.thejournal.ie/boy-refused-place-at-dublin-school-2964383-Sep2016/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120320071#Comment_120320071

No they haven’t? It’s only in recent years they’ve gained any sort of attention from middle-class lefties who want to impose their own ideas on travellers, who for the most part want nothing to do with them.

It’s true that the vast majority of middle-class Ireland wants nothing to do with travellers, only for the drugs really, and the boxing, and the GAA, and and let’s not forget it was Micheál Martin who nominated Eileen Flynn to the Seanad -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eileen_Flynn_(politician)

And Enda Kenny’s FG Government who recognised travellers as a distinct ethnic group in 2017 -

https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/d29014-statement-by-an-taoiseach-enda-kenny-td-on-the-recognition-of-travel/

And travellers have long had a sort of a Stockholm syndrome relationship with the Catholic Church which you’d struggle to associate with middle-class lefties! 😂

Nah, that’s just your own associate anything you don’t like with lefties, doesn’t matter that it isn’t reflected by reality at all.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120320071#Comment_120320071

The apologising they do is almost funny. If they went to your average traveller family and started saying that stuff, they'd wouldn't be received well at all. The travellers would likely look on in disgust, because at the end of the day, no matter what you think of them, they are proud people who say sorry for nothing. And certainly wouldn't have any respect for people who'd sit and grovel and beg for acceptance.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319471#Comment_120319471

Two-way street. Aspects of traveller culture need to change. Like taking kids out of school extremely early, and insanely young marriage and parenthood (with too many children).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319962#Comment_120319962

Travellers have long been a trendy cause for middle class leftists , that the vast majority of middle Ireland have no time for travellers makes the cause even trendier

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319462#Comment_120319462

I was being ironic. 😊

Poking fun at one of the usual self righteous, aggressive comments about how observing actual behaviour is apparently hatred. And ignorance seemingly (when it's the exact opposite of ignorance).

There are huge problems in traveller society - and it's horrible for women and girls. Yes of course not all travellers are responsible, but saying that, doesn't magically wipe out the overwhelming issues that are there.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319609#Comment_120319609

I grew up in a county where they had a massive presence, especially around the town. I knew literally all of the families, closer than I'd have liked to, and I'd honestly struggle to say anything good about any of them. In fact, I could easily link all of those families to numerous crimes by court reporting alone. The first time I was lectured about them was in college in Dublin by a middle class lecturer from Cork, who likely had no close dealings with them, yet was still happy to bleat on about how oppressed they were and how it was all our fault. It's something that's very hard to swallow for those of us who've seen the other side and experienced it up close. We're meant to accept that they are helpless victims, when all we've ever seen is them victimize others. It's completely out of sync with the reality that most of us know.

apache

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316582#Comment_120316582

That's a fact. Sure they even have their own wings.

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319804#Comment_120319804

Much like the people who want to pretend that the traveller culture of today should be celebrated and ignore the overwhelming negatives for people that actually have to live surrounded by it (and for the travellers themselves ironically). Preaching at people from areas disconnected from the reality of it to make themselves feel righteous.

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319467#Comment_120319467

The people that want to pretend it isn't happening like to characterise it as such. Much like creationists like to pretend that evolution is progressive dogma.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319609#Comment_120319609

‘seem to’ being the operative words in your post there.

Dublin city and suburbs had the largest number of Irish Travellers with 5,089 persons. This was followed by Galway city and suburbs with 1,598 persons and Cork city and suburbs with 1,222.

Of the towns with 1,500 or more persons, Tuam had the highest number of Irish Travellers with 737 persons, followed by Longford with 730 persons.

Navan, Mullingar, Dundalk and Ballinasloe all had 500 or more Irish Travellers in 2016.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itd/

’Living in fear’? They’re not living in the middle of Iraq for goodness sake, they’re no more living in fear than anyone in Dublin City is living in fear. It’s also where there are plenty of organisations which support travellers are located, and there’s no courses being pushed. They’re proposals for a curriculum to be taught in schools at national level, so schools in those areas you mentioned would be delivering the same curriculum content as would be delivered in every school in Ireland.

Quitelife

Towns with large traveller populations all seem to have large amounts of crime & the general population are living in fear like Longford, Ennis, Tralee, Mullingar , Thurles , Tipp Town, Abbeyfeale, Castleisland , Tuam, & many many more.

Those who are pushing these courses you will find are not living in these areas .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319471#Comment_120319471

Progressive policy is what has us where we are with travellers

decades of endless carrot and telling them every single issue that bedevils their community is the fault of the broader population

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319467#Comment_120319467

of course, that’s not to say conservatives can’t believe climate change is happening but climate change activism is a key tenet of progressive thought and extends to using climate change as a tool to push for open borders as one example

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318918#Comment_120318918

I find it bizarre that anyone would think that the Irish education system didn't involve propaganda. Nearly every single part of my schooling revolved around the catholic church. Even the Irish language wasn't taught as a spoken language but rather as a cultural thing. There was more focus on poetry and Peig rather than actually speaking it.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316523#Comment_120316523

Yes they do speak this language. It's very common and known among the community. There have been a few attempts to record traveller stories, songs and history as it's dying off by the forced settlement through government policy.

I'm terms of the negative aspects of the culture rather than preventing travellers from getting jobs and education how about encouraging and helping them as much as possible to get a better start in life. There are specific programs I am aware of to help with preschool and parallel education of mothers. Many travellers work on building sites as labourers and earn an honest wage for hard work. However nearly 100% are discriminated against and find it nearly impossible to even be considered for any role causing institutional and generational problems of unemployment. We really need to take a different approach, sticking travellers into council houses and abandoning them to the dole is not progressive.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319431#Comment_120319431

Climate change is progressive dogma?

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120316826#Comment_120316826

could and possible which of course put a huge question mark over everything else in the article

More meaning making.

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319244#Comment_120319244

Fugue, surprised at your post, would have expected more balanced approach.

Niman stated some facts, which are replicated across the country: I will post some from my local paper later

You have then added meaning to those facts: these facts are made up, by you.

They are made up, and have no basis in fact.

Example: someone dies: fact

relatives are all sad/happy/whatever: all made up: the only fact is the death.

Rather than make up stuff about Niman, can you list 10 positive facts where travellers have made a positive contribution to the society they give in.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318918#Comment_120318918

Not to worry, that’s being pushed out to be replaced by progressive dogma ( trans issues, consent , climate change, privilege)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120319244#Comment_120319244

I don’t think anyone’s saying that. Talking about what you have observed is one thing; suggesting it’s a behaviour exhibited by all members of any particular group in society is another thing entirely.

It’s just as easy observe a person’s motives for that sort of behaviour too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318103#Comment_120318103

talking about what you have observed is ignorant, small minded and hate filled.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318734#Comment_120318734

don't forget the catholic dogma

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318734#Comment_120318734

I dunno what period in time you’re referring to or where you were educated, but that was never the case in Ireland anyway where religion, civics and history were all used as propaganda tools by, and for, certain demographics of individuals.

The first part is true though, that the school curriculum was devised with the absolute intention of bettering and educating young people, enabling them with tangible and important knowledge, know how and tools to take into adulthood. That’s as true today as it was then, which is why the curriculum is revised every couple of years in an attempt to to reflect modern social standards and prepare children for adulthood.

Compared to the French education system for example which is more concerned with turning out little philosophers, the Irish education system is geared towards preparing children for Irish society. Educating children about travellers and their culture has been absent from the curriculum in all that time, which may go some way towards explaining why travellers didn’t see any importance in investing in an education system where they were either ignored, or made to feel like they didn’t belong in the school or classroom, and that’s before recognising the amount of shìt they have to put up with based upon negative stereotypes of travellers as a whole.

Strumms

back in the day the school curriculum was devised with the absolute intention of bettering and educating young people, enabling them with tangible and important knowledge, know how and tools to take into adulthood..

rather then act as a propaganda tool for a certain demographic of individuals. 👍🏻🙄

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120318297#Comment_120318297

Not if you’re a traveller though, which I guess is kinda the point of the exercise. In any case it doesn’t require much time or resources which is already taken into consideration in developing the curriculum.

John_Rambo

I see a bit of traveller culture leaking in to the settled community. Monster weddings with lots of cash gifts are fairly common in some settled societies now.

A complete waste of time & resourses!