Picard 3x03- 'Seventeen Seconds' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers
Well ya that was part of the friend with her father bit.
Melded with Sarek first.
Picard and Burnham's father were good friends and he melded with her brother.
Not a joke that actually happened.
Picard may not have been present during the events of Star Trek: Discovery's second season, but he did once cross paths with Spock. In the Star Trek: The Next Generation two-part Season 5 episode "Unification," Spock, now a Starfleet Ambassador, attempted to reunify the Vulcans and the Romulans, and he got a helping hand from Captain Picard and his crew. Picard and Spock worked together to help the Ambassador achieve his goal, and the two then got to talk about Spock's father, Sarek. Picard had previously met Sarek, in the appropriately titled Season 3 episode, "Sarek," where Spock's ailing father performed a Vulcan mind meld with Picard. At the end of "Unification," Picard offered Spock the chance to mind meld with him, in order to get closer to his now-deceased father.
By doing this, Picard allowed Spock to get to know his father better. But since both Picard and Spock shared the same mind at that time, it's possible that the Captain came to learn about the Ambassador's sister, Burnham. Picard, understanding the severity of the situation thanks to the mind meld, would have also kept the knowledge a secret all this time.
All trying to make a circle link through of shows, lets not forget the retcon of Gary Seven
Still a really **** move
He is only in his 20s and has a bunch of aliases and he is a seasoned smuggler as is she.
It seems quite clear they have both been acting as devil may care rebels for most of his adult life.
She has certainly lived the life that she thinks makes Picard not parent material.
They've an awful habit of reducing the whole universe down to around 10 relevant people. From everyone having the Ent-D crew up on this pedestal, to connecting Worf, to Rafi, to the Portal weapon, to Picard's conflict half a quadrant away - it's all just so much coincidence. It's the Picard gang's universe, the trillions of other inhabitants seemingly just live in it. (just wait for the loop to close itself, as we learn Picard and Michael Burnham are somehow related!).
She looks great but you can see the age in her hands
Better than last week, but still, not great.
Jack being Picards son just doesn’t feel natural and they’ve had to turn Beverly into a horrible person to get it to fit with continuity. Her reasons for never mentioning him to Picard are incredibly weak. It even bothered me that they felt they had to explain the accent.
The show still really lays it on thick the the legendary status of the enterprise-D crew too(Geordis daughter popping into seven to mention that her Dad was one of the greatest engineers ever and Raffi immediately calling Worf a legend). I get it, they were brilliant, but I always assumed there were a lot of brilliant crews across Starfleet, but these people are held on such a pedestal that everyone else was probably unremarkable.
Still, a better episode. Picard is a dreadful first officer! Bit weird of Riker to take offence and throw him off the bridge just because he followed Picards advice though.
It's still a nonsense reason though. She could - and given their long history, friendship and respect, definitely should - have still told Picard, and explained the situation and her wishes if she wanted it kept just between them etc. She's come out of it looking really poor - and worse, I actually just don't buy that it's a decision Beverly Crusher would have made.
(I also just totally didn't buy her run through of all Picard's dangers - this supposed sequence of separate attempts on his life every few days just felt so contrived, it's another weird attempt to reframe the TNG era as this all guns blazing dangerfest, rather than the predominantly exploratory thing it was).
Yeah there's not timeline for how long he's been in danger, is there?
I'm actually enjoying this more than season 2 so far. Albeit they're leaning a bit heavy on the gang getting back together vibe. Also, I must admit I used to have a proper teenage crush on Beverly, and she still looks good for her age I reckon. Patrick Stewart is just too old for his role now though.
Absolutely. My point being they could have expositioned it a lot better. Poor old raffi isn't well liked and the writing for her hasn't helped.
Bugger, I was only thinking today that Shaw is growing with me, and if they were going for a spin off, and the character goes well, that would be a great way to move Trek forward with a pass off from the TNG crew to Shaw and Seven on their own exploration mission in the 25th century. But I also thought Rios was a new character that had potential, so there we go...
I'm guessing the fact they mentioned the bio part of the nebula repeatedly means it'll come into play.
If they want Jack, are they going to rescue him from the gravity well?
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Oh dear lord
@ilovesmybrick I found the scenes with Raffi and Worf a bit jarring, it broke the tension and the tone change was a bit much. And that torture scene with Raffi did the character absolutely no favours whatsoever.
@fritzelly keep cutting to Raffi - save it for one whole episode we can all skip
@_Kaiser_ Raffi continues to be the weak point of the series.. Not sure why she wasn't just written out.
@breezy1985 Despite Word WORF being a big part of later DS9
Rumor doing the rounds, another series no body has yet asked for? : -
The episode itself didn't have much going on but I really like the changelings as bad guys. It's exactly the kind of post Bermantrek politics I was looking for (I just want to know the situation in the universe). Why they are after Picard could last minute scupper this wide arcing grown up story though.
As others said Crushers reason to hide her son is bollix because she sent him to constant danger. I am starting to like him though.
Despite Word being a big part of later DS9 I always forget he was in it so when he mentioned a changeling friend my heart jumped.
The ex-Borg taking Sidney under her wing is Seven's attempt to help Ensign La Forge escape the shadow of her legendary father, Commodore Geordi La Forge (LeVar Burton), as well as Sidney's sister, Ensign Alandra La Forge (Mica Burton), who became an engineer like their father.
We haven't met the sister yet, plus no credit on IMDb yet? Alias.
Poor deprived fools that they are!
I think Raffi's obliviousness was just shoehorning in some exposition for people who've seen TNG but haven't seen DS9.
Also, three episodes in and it hasn't **** itself yet. Is this a Picard record?
That defeatist look on Picard's face when told to shut the f*ck up was very telling
I agree this nebula storyline is dragging the whole thing out for far too long. 🥱
I've only watched the episode once, but wan't there a passing mention of something biological in the nebula? Could there be a critter in there that might save the Titan?
I think the command transfer was understandable. Picard is retired from star fleet and so has no authority there any longer. Riker, on the other hand, is still on active duty, so the computer would recognise his authority ... the fact he was previously captain of the ship may also be relevant.
Now bear with me here ... That final dialogue between Picard and Riker ... the way Picard was talking seemed off to me, so my brain went there ... I think that was the changeling. 🤔
La'Forge's other daughter (played by Mica) has yet to appear.
That might explain it then.
I'd read that Mica was playing his daughter and just assumed she looked different than I remember. Accidental racism avoided.
Interesting. Looks like Mica Burton does have a season 3 credit though, according to her Wiki page, as “Ensign Alandra La Forge”. I guess we haven’t seen them yet?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mica_Burton
While still better than the first two seasons there are more holes appearing. Raffi needs to brush up on the Dominon war a bit. I suspect she might have been alive when, you know, the federation faced defeat. As others have said Riker's reaction to a situation where, in agreement with Picard, they had no other option was ridiculous. I do like the idea of the changelings being back but I also worry it might become overused to explain things. Are we going to discover that Beverley is still lying and Jack is actually a changeling that has left the link to stop this terrorist group or a changeling she found and raised and stayed away for 20 years to protect?
Some worrying signs of dogy writing this episode but they have a get out clause for almost any odd character behaviours.
Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut plays Sidney LaForge, not Mica Burton.
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