Picard 3x03- 'Seventeen Seconds' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers
I liked the scene with Picard and Beverly. Her having already lost a husband and a son (as farcascshe knows at least) makes it understandable and it would have been very easy for the writers to make her right just because but there was some nuance to it.
Shaw putting Riker in charge to get them out of the mess he caused was a little contrived but he's in the big chair now so I'll allow it. The change in the Picard Riker's dynamic was fun. Before Picard was cautious (mostly) and Riker was the more brash now they've switched roles. I think the end was a little overdone though even if Number One Picard could have done with a refresher on the etiquette of question the captain's orders. And there was some real (intentional?) irony in Riker pulling an "I'm the captain" after the first episode's events.
Geordi's going to be at Daystrom isn't he? I don't think Lore is the secret weapon that was stolen, I think he'll be at Datystrom and knows something about it so he'll have to tag along.
I wouldn't have thought Changelings but let's see where it goes. Worf seemed kind of surprised he vaporised it. It's nice to have Worfield back.
They're still trying to tell that Raffi is important/valuable/etc without showing it.
The shakey cam in the conversation scenes is annoying.
I think the 10 hour movie thing is showing up a lot of pacing issues when it's all done a re-cut would be nice.
I'm a bit surprised at how much I like Mica Burton's character (despite the fact they forgot Geordi is a good pilot in his own right). I was prepared to hate her because she was really annoying when she was a presenter at Roosterteeth but she's fine in this. Maybe it's just her real personality and it was five years ago when she left so she could have changed.
Well there was theories re the tie in to DS9
Ohh and now we know its those changelings does it tie in to S2...wormhole...
Was not expediting changelings ! I thought they where all going to be holograms.
Riker is clearly the changing though right ?? He was way off the last few scenes.
Good to see the Changelings back. Nice reference to Odo as well from Worf.
That last scene between Picard and Riker though is just very out of character - both from a professional perspective (you don't argue like that in front of the crew, and you certainly don't tell them they're all dead!), but Will has basically been completely behind Picard up until this point - suddenly he's going to throw him off the bridge??
Raffi continues to be the weak point of the series.. Not sure why she wasn't just written out. Worf is probably closest to the character we remember though in terms of mannerisms and his development. He was never your typical Klingon and learned to value his human upbringing and mature through the 2 series he was in. It seems probably the most natural path (with the exception of Riker perhaps) to where he is now.
I don't buy Beverly's reasoning for cutting Picard out of his son's life at all. She knew the man better than anyone else and how she decides he just lives too dangerous a lifestyle after what.. 15+ years serving together is nonsense! Especially because she would have known how affected he was by the death of Rene and Robert, or the loss of his 'family' from the Inner Light etc - all things that helped him grow as well.
But, it's still a lot more like the TNG followup we should have had all along. From what I've seen from YouTubers who've watched the whole thing, it should start really picking up next week.
I felt this was a much better episode than the last one.
I thought the scene between Picard and Crusher was very well done. Both had very valid points. We also got a bit more info on Picard during the in-between years.
I am liking Captain Shaw more and more, I see him less as Captain D1ickhead.
Changelings were unexpected but an interesting plot usage. I like it.
Worf is awesome. Like an elder guardian. Still a warrior at heart, but the knowledge and experience of when to use it. And his ultimate weapon is to somehow make Raffi, less likely to suck.
Cat and Mouse chase was fun.
Portal weapon was interesting, funny how to sent back the torpedoes. I expect it to be part of some lockbox on STO.
Small bit of a drag and I found Picard and Crusher's (B) conversation a bit overwrought, like how many assasination attempts in a week??
As with the previous episodes Picard and Riker are fantastic, and I absolutely loved the slight look of disgust when Picard realised Shaw had made Riker captain over him. That tension between the two of them is quite nice, it's natural, and it shows that the main characters are human with human flaws. Without it having to be literally explained by a character on screen.
I found the scenes with Raffi and Worf a bit jarring, it broke the tension and the tone change was a bit much. And that torture scene with Raffi did the character absolutely no favours whatsoever.
Fine, decent enough and moves the story forward a bit. As long as this place setting comes along quick enough happy out.
Wonder what they stole from Daystrom....like they're promising an awful lot here, changelings, the TNG crew, Lore, massive gravity well...
Thought it was a great episode but damn why do they have to keep cutting to Raffi - save it for one whole episode we can all skip
Damn that got pretty intense at the end! Like between Riker and Picard. What I really liked about the whole episode was how it was shaped to be all about leadership and the smallest of differences in it!
Anyway, Raffi to be throwing stuff at Worf while he reads out poetry by the end of the season maybe? 😁 Certainly had that look about them a few times and Worf was sounding a bit poetic 😂
Yeah, sure this is it... I have a lot of criticisms of it, and yet at the same time it's exceeding my unbelievably low expectations, so I come out of each episode with a net positive.
Well, I'd say my bit of speculation about that random ensign was about 66% right.
I quite liked it, though there's issues. There's simultaneously a significant advancement to the plot, but also very little in other ways. They're still in the nebula, but the big bad is finally revealed. In effect, this is both Picard season 3 and DS9 season 8.
My own interpretation of the Riker/Picard clash, is that Riker is now the more mature and responsible captain, and the legendary Picard called it wrong. The student has become the master kind of thing.
As others have said it is starting to drag, part 3 of a 10 hour movie.
The whole portal device element seems totally pointless... like, a single quantum - or even photon - torpedo would've done much more damage. And the shrike just seems to be using it as a toy to play with the Titan - they could've disabled, or destroyed them many times over at this stage if they were so inclined.
Agreed she could have severly disabled the Titan and gotten Jack Crusher without all the messing around.
An OK episode. Yes they really ate dragging out them being in the whatever it is that looks like a nebula.
I thought that last scene with them hitting themselves with there own weapons was hilarous.
I also do not agree with them last scenes between Picard and Riker. Riker made the ultimate decision but Picard did put a lot of pressure on him.
I think the Shrike was just enjoying messing with the Titan.
Cool to have the changelings back. Really was not expecting that.
I too agree again about the Raffi scenes been hard to watch but these were a bit easier with Worf there. I must say Worf has changed a lot and for the better too. Not sure I like his rather bland choice of clothing do.
Pretty good, not great, though I'm still really enjoying the series overall.
Rafi still a real low point and it's a pity Worf has to play against her.
Picard and Beverly scenes were good and it's just great to be getting some of the 20 years in-between filled in. Whether it's great, good, or just alright, it's certainly more interesting than the last two seasons. Not telling Picard about his son is a bit of a stretch though alright, but sure.
Also agreed with @~Rebel~, that last scene with Picard and Riker, and Riker's attitude toward Picard throughout really, seemed a little uncharacteristically harsh.
Cool to have the changelings back, for some reason I wasn't expecting that. Although I often think they're just too powerful an enemy to be honest. Like why stop at impersonating a lowly gold-top, why not do Capt. Shaw? Or Picard for that mater?
Spoiler in case anyone hasn't seen the early teaser trailer from a couple months ago:
I think it's a pity now that they've shown Lore in the promotional material. I'd been anticipating his reveal in this episode and now I'm still waiting. I'm guessing that's what was stolen from Daystrom?
Hopefully we'll find out in the next episode. Annoying to be waiting for a "reveal" of something already shown to be coming, and feeling like I know something that the characters are still oblivious to. I guess that's the danger of watching trailers.
Also, Titan is growing on me. Good looking ship.
Frakes directed this one, too.
An ok episode, some fun stuff in there. Nice to see the changelings back - hopefully they're used well going forward.
Really did a number on Beverly's character though, comes across extremely badly. Her reasoning for not telling Picard about his son is very weak - especially considering she threw him into a life of danger doing black market smuggling etc anyway. Stewart's performances have been a wee bit ropey in the season so far (purely due to age), but he was excellent in that scene with something meaty to get his teeth into.
The whole portal device element seems totally pointless... like, a single quantum - or even photon - torpedo would've done much more damage. And the shrike just seems to be using it as a toy to play with the Titan - they could've disabled, or destroyed them many times over at this stage if they were so inclined. It's like one of the writers had just been procrastinating playing Portal, and decided to lift it exactly and throw it into the "insert thing here" space up on the whiteboard.
Rafi's still a struggle, though Worf was kinda fun (if a bit over the top). The pacing is starting to drag a bit though, we're 3 hours in now and still in that first nebula, in that same first conflict - one episode could have gotten us to the point we're at now if they weren't dragging things out.
Also really not sure I really buy that last exchange between Riker and Picard. Picard gave his suggestion, it was Riker's decision to act on it and give the order. And then he banishes Picard from the bridge in full melodramatic style when it doesn't work out?
