Doesn't that just make it an accident, rather than a conspiracy though?
The conspiracy was the discrediting of anyone who even speculated that it was a lab leak and questioned the official zoonotic narrative.
OK. So the energy department and the FBI are now discredited?
Why do you believe that these organizations are not part of the conspiracy?
I have a conspiracy theory.
It is a known fact that the US economy boomed after both world wars. It is also a fact that in both world wars, Europe paid for US support in gold (see 16:20 in the video below).
My theory therefore is the US wants a world war as a means to a new golden age of prosperity in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdSq5H7awi8&list=PLE88E9ICdiphYjJkeeLL2O09eJoC8r7Dc&index=2
It is a known fact that the US economy boomed after both world wars
really??
you must have missed the great depression between 1929 and 1933 then??
you must also have missed the recessions at the end of the 50s, end of the 60's, the mid 70s oil crisis recession and the global crap of the 80s.
USAs economy grew pretty much in line over this period with most of the western world.
There were economic booms after world wars. where your theory falls down is your assertion that the US wants another world war. provide some evidence for that and perhaps we can talk further.
its a complete given that a word war will push the whole worlds economy into a depression. It is nonsensical to assume that a world war wouldn't destroy the US economy.
the question was whether the US experienced an economic boom after the two world wars. they did despite your assertions to the contrary. whether another world war would do the same is open to debate. like yourself i think it would be disastrous. I also dont believe that the US are aiming for another world war in the hope of another economic boom. i see no evidence for that.
No I didn`t miss the depression which started in 1929, ten years after the first world war ended.
I assume you heard of the roaring twenties? It was an economic boom which followed the first world war. This renders me right and you wrong.
The second world war ended in 1945, not the late 50s. I take it history is not your forte?
Sure. I will get banned if I point out that NATO provoked the war in Ukraine so I must refrain from that but I will point out that it is also trying to provoke war with China. Check out this geopolitical report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODbrpimBgKo
So, just nonsense then. Thought so.
There are 1.5 billion Chinese. I agree with them.
but it wasnt just the US who experienced growth, pretty much ever western economy did... as the globals economies grew., so did the US
so it makes no sense that a world war would only lead to US growth and "to a new golden age of prosperity in the US."
i would actually argue that the reason western economies grew, and continue to grow, is as a result of there being NO world wars.
The Chinese hive mind?
"This renders me right and you wrong"
We're dealing with a heavyweight here lads.
Yes, Putin is stealing Ukrainian grain and forcing kids in occupied territories to speak Russian and having fake referendums "because NATO"
That's not a "report" of any kind, it's shrill neo-liberal quackery
Not to mention the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
It took all the resources of the US 8 years to locate Osama Bin Laden. The US gave an ultimatum to the Afghan government to locate and hand him over in 2 weeks or they would invade.
The coups and coup attempts in Libya and Syria etc. The recognition of break away Kosovo while condemning other break away regions.
We are so indoctrinated with western propaganda that we find it difficult to accept that the west may not always good actors.
Do you still believe Covid came from a pangolin?
Sorry, your question doesn't make any sense. I have never claimed such a thing. Honestly it seems more like a lazy attempt to deflect from the questions I asked you.
Could you please answer them directly now?
Are the energy department and the FBI are now being discredited?
You cant/wont win - Hes a master of deflecting questions, and demanding answers......
Time to go ....................... 🙄
Weird. I answered the question directly and concisely while the person you are leaping in to defend dodged my questions entirely.
But you accuse me of deflecting?
There are 109 mentions of pangolins on boards.ie, most in the covid forums unsurprisingly. none of them posted by King Mob. SafeSurfer is asking King Mob to defend something they never said. Do you think that is reasonable?
I’m sorry your questions don’t make any sense. I never claimed that the FBI or energy department are being discredited.
Are organisations people now?
Did you not consistently argue that Covid had a zoonotic origin?
Maybe it was someone else entirely. If so I apologise.
There was a long-lasting world depression after the Napoleonic wars. All those Charles Dickens novels about freezing orphans and penniless thieves were based on Dickens' impressions from his early life.
There's no knowing what infrastructure will be destroyed in a world war. If you can manage to stay standing while other countries destroy themselves, like US in two world wars and Britain during the Thirty Years War, then you might have a big advantage afterwards.
Lots of if and buts - impossible to predict imo.
You claimed:
The conspiracy was the discrediting of anyone who even speculated that it was a lab leak
But now, you are claiming that this only applies to individuals and that the FBI is not being discredited.
So why aren't they being discredited?
Why were they not part of the conspiracy?
And no, I did not consistently argue that covid came from pangolins.
I consistently argued that the most likely origin was zoonotic, and that there was no evidence that the virus was created in a lab. That's still the case.
Even speculation that the virus was the result of a lab leak was censored.
Are you claiming that there was not a concerted effort to discredit the theory that the origins of the Covid were the result of a lab leak?
And your evidence that it was zoonotic is?
When you say "lab leak" do you actually mean man made?
Something escaping from a lab isn't the counter position to it being zoonotic in origin.
Ok. You're still not answering my questions though.
You believe that speculation that the virus leaked from a lab was censored.
Yet the FBI is now speculating this.
Do you understand how this is a contradiction?
If speculation was censored, why was the FBI not censored or discredited?
I don't believe that there was a concerted effort to discredit the theory, because when I ask questions about this effort I get similar dodging and avoiding like you are engaging in now. I have not seen any evidence to support such an idea.
The evidence for the zoonotic origin has been posted ad nauseum on the covid thread and it's easily found on google.
But that is off topic as I'm not discussing that.
Theres a difference between a lab leak, a lab leak with intent and man made
George Bush, a leader from another party 20 years ago, chose to go into Afghanistan and invade Iraq. History reductionists treat countries like a personality or good/evil cartoon villains, rather than a complex sequence of different administrations. It's the equivalent of lambasting the current German PM from supporting Ukraine because a predecessor in the past invaded Ukraine. It's that level.
Yes the US agencies did take a long time to find Bin Laden. Indeed the Bush admin gave the ultimatum to the Taliban, after which they invaded Afghanistan.
There was no "coup" attempt in Libya, the UN straight up voted to support the uprising against a dictator (a vote which wasn't vetoed by Russia or China).
Your points are cookie cutter facsimiles of stuff we see from far left or far right figures or conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones. People who have a tendency to fall for silly conspiracy theories often share the same black/white thinking your post is demonstrating.
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