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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yes, nice. I'm intrigued as to the range it can be controlled at and relay data from, or whether it has to be pre programmed and return with the data recorded on media, and then recovered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,869 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    simply trying to exhaust the Ukrainian army and economy. Russia believes it's possible due to an advantage in manpower and equipment.

    God such a WWI mindset...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The majority of the time they have been nowhere near the from line , nothing like a little self promotion to make a career



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's the problem nobody is fighting back we seen some violence in one particular area but that died down,

    They can't all be that afraid, there has to be a natural leader somewhere in the whole of Russia who can stand up and say No we've had enough of this shite it's time for change,

    The whole population can't be that subdued surely??.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Could be satellite linked.

    Worth noting the latest $2 billion announcement is orders placed with suppliers, so nothing being delivered right away.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Very early on in this thread I reckoned Russia already lost the war, both on the battlefield and geopolitically. The usual list of; sanctions, an increase in NATO's size, the need and will for Europe to re-arm, having to go cap in hand to nations like Iran and a mafia family run clusterfcuk like North Korea. The very best they've achieved geopolitically is to stir up existing hatreds towards "The West(TM)"(America really) mostly in the developing world, and I'd bet the farm they've pissed off China as well, because outside of cheap oil and distracting the Americans this has been bad for Chinese business interests. All Russia has really done is kick off Cold War II. And not to their advantage either.

    But on the battlefield? For all their monumental failures and "feints", even their successes, after all they still do hold 50% of the land they'd taken in this invasion, the real test hasn't even started yet for Russia. Even if they'd taken Kiev, "disappeared" all the leaders and thought that was it? Nope, that's when the war would actually start for Russia.

    As usual warmongers and empire builders seem allergic to opening history books. People who support Ukraine or Russia both like to compare this war and the players in it to WW2. Understandable as it's the last great European war and there are some parallels. Well some all too easy ones. One fact that is ignored, especially among Russian supporters is that WW2(in Europe and the East) is alone among wars of the modern era where after the capital was taken and the leaders removed the people stopped fighting. After Germany surrendered the Allies were ready and waiting for a German resistance to kick off. It was understandably expected as such resistance had kicked off in every nation Germany had taken over and it came as a shock and real relief that it didn't. The German people and the Japanese too, stopped fighting. As I said this is a major outlier in modern warfare. Even in the Great War we saw this. Yes the Allies didn't invade and take Berlin, but back and forth fighting kept going within Germany and after a lull this fight ultimately gave rise to nazism and WW2.

    So let's imagine all the Russian wunderwaffen exist, that the Russian army is a million man army with the best kit and best training and by April they take and hold half of Ukraine. Now the work really starts. All this talk and interest on how much land measured in metres taken or lost by Russian and Ukraine is a horrific sideshow. Look at the American misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. American forces took the capitals and removed the leaders within months of invading. Job done? Nope. So when did the biggest percentage of American deaths and injuries happen? Hint, it wasn't during the invasion. Yep it was during the occupation. And remember America "won" that war and acheived her main objectives, but they didn't win in the end. Same for Afghanistan. For America and Russia before them. Syria, still fighting. Libya, still fighting. The Korean war ended with their country cleaved in half with an uneasy "peace" that threatens to go "hot" right up to today.

    We already see this within Ukraine. The next time you engage with a Russia supporter, ask them this; if Ukrainians want to be with Russia so much, especially in Donbas, why are all of the insurgency deaths, attacks and sabotage behind Russian lines? And remember this is in an area where Russia says the vast majority want to be with Russia. Now scale that up to all of Ukraine under Russian "control" where even the most daft Russian spin can't claim the people want them there.

    When people are fighting for their survival as a nation and people, they don't stop fighting when you take their capital, government and remove their leadership. They go on fighting. You try to stop that and that requires a large chunk of brutality which in turn creates more fighters against you. Rinse and repeat as you lose more and more control, even if you occupy their lands for generations. You simply can't win. Nobody ever has. Not the British, not the French, not the Soviets, not the Americans. Nobody. You only "win" when you leave, or better yet, you don't start invading in the first place.

    TL;DR? Russia lost the war by starting it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,017 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes Josip, I was in Bulevar Revolucion and Trg Republica that day when Kostunica took power, and Milosevic was removed. I heard Kostunica's speech and where he stopped a crowd that wanted to go out to Dedinje where Milosevic lived, and finish him off. He said that the Rule of Law is restored, and Milosevic and his cronies will face justice in the Courts. ( Kostunica was himself a Lawyer or Advocaat in Serbian) and he wanted a clean legal beginning. The protesters , whom came from all over Serbia, even had a mechanical digger to help them sweep away the barricades. But the People were helped by the fact that Milosevic had lost the support of the military and police. His factory of lies had run out of power. You made the point that the first protests failed, (as they did) but back then, Milosevic had enough public support to hold on to power. By 2000 he did not, and that's why he lost. And this is where the Russian story differs from the Serbian one. Depending on who you listen to, Putin still has anything between 60-80% popular support. He does not care how many protests are attempted, be they held by 10'000 people or multiples of 10'000. If his police fail to stop them from starting, for sure his military will, with machine guns if necessary. The Serbian police and military would not have done this, to turn their weapons on their own people, most likely they would have turned them on Milosevic. And that is where they differ from the Russians, Serbs have always been independent minded, Russians always look for leadership, and Russian society encourages this. " Do as we tell you, not as we do"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Don't give up the day job ,

    Comedy and research isn't your thing 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's all they have how are we going to beat Ukraine well we're doing to dig trenches and everyday we will send men over the top sooner or later the Ukrainans will either run out of bullets men ,but will stay the course matter what,

    It's like when we had certain individuals telling us that we would only be happy when every Ukrainian had fought to the death, it's not the Ukrainans getting slaughtered in empty fields in rural ukraine



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,017 ✭✭✭jmreire


    In a normal society, yes, but Russia is following ( or rather, I should say Putin is following )such an extreme form of dictatorship, that it could well be the offspring of Kim Jong-un or Mullah Omar. Only possible explanation is that " He's not right in the head", but what's really terrifying is that there maybe well be even madder candidates coming after him. He rules through murder fear and terror, and that's with his own Russian people. He learned well in his KGB days how to control and subdue people. If change ever does come to Russia, it will only be through a complete dismantling of the Kremlin, or most likely, dismantling of the federation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's very difficult to assess what the long term outlook is for Russia. The population are so brainwashed and "serf like", that one wonders if they could ever handle concepts like freedom and democracy. It's a country unlike any other in Europe. I was watching the 1420 YouTube videos from Belarus this week and the contrast with the people there with Russians was huge - you could easily imagine them transitioning to being a democracy and even being an EU member in future.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How the EU's energy imports have changed since the war started, and even in the months leading up to it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,234 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    A lot of the crowd in the stadium yesterday especially the younger people didn't seem too interested in what he was saying, although some commentators claim most of the population support the war.

    Hard to know really but if the figures are true that 200,000 have been killed by the Ukrainians then if it drags on for another 12 months there will be a lot of unhappy Russian parents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Gerry T



    It's been a while coming on this thread, but eventually we get a great post. It's the sad truth of most occupations, eventually, with time, we get back to the starting point but with so much needless pain, suffering, loss and destruction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Bakhmut made it to the anniversary and stopped Russia getting a major PR win. It will make it to March but with more settlements on it's northern side this will probably be the month it falls. Hopefully the AFU can hold the northern side. It would be a shame if Russia didn't have to conduct a costly block by block siege of the city considering how fortified it is.


    As for the Russia economy as Sky mentioned they had 10 years to plan for this economically. In the past year that big cushion they built up has collapsed. It's only downhill from here the longer this goes on.

    Mobilising another 500k will surely look great on paper as unemployment will be practically zero, and other 500k will probably leave Russia meaning nobody will be stuck for a job.


    But economically the country will be restricted with productivity and the cost of waging this war is astronomical. And again they've built up a massive cussion in terms of stockpiles of military hardware and equipment but they're burning through that faster then anybody imagined, adding another large cost in replacing them.

    Ideally Russia would be harder hit but the end result isn't too bad. The last thing Ukraine needed was an economically thriving Russia and that's not the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Leopards in Ukraine live and in colour ,but only 4 of them




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Chinese peace proposal suggests a demilitarized zone between Ukraine and Russia, guess which country loses territory in the china plan ....





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Are you trying to suggest that video is a hoax? She deliberately harmed herself while pretending to be on the frontline?

    Untitled Image

    Tell me again. What have you ever done?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Tell us what you have done other than register an account on boards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,083 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Like a lot of the stuff you post from Twitter, this is made up.

    That is the actual Chinese peace plan. It's total fluff, but doesn't contain any badly faked photoshopped maps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Like what comrade .

    Bakhmut Falling for how many months,and your expert opinion of how Russia are going to break through and the Ukrainan lines fall and the Russians Heading back to Kiev or something similar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's not even a peace plan 😂 😂😂

    No Sanctions,

    So basically China want to assist Russia .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭thomil


    Christ on a bike, that makes Munich 1938 seem like a fair and equitable agreement!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,083 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There on a roll the Chinese, second peace plan in a week,they plan on bringing peace to Israel and Palestinians in 4 point plan .

    Obviously nobody in China actually reads books



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




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